Lost my post.
I've never called for more guns.
I've never said that more guns will fix anything.
I've never advocated killing.
I think killing anyone, in war or self-defense is a position we should NEVER desire to be in.
It is wrong to assume that supporting legal gun ownership is an endorsement of killing, or a desire to kill.
It is wrong to assume supporting legal gun onwnership is claiming that Jesus would own a gun.
Saying you would defend your family isn't being pro-killing, or saying Jesus 'would or wouldn't' do the same.
I see a lot of wreckless use of scripture to argue politics. Look at the political climate while Jesus walked the earth. There are many things today that I am convinced Jesus would simply not address, much the same as He did with His contemporaries. In fact Jesus was asked some loaded trick questions as well. Neo sounds like he is Saducee trained.
Rich wrote:Actually, if you look at the comments, most people think that Jesus would choose more guns. I am amazed!
Ridiculous. Not sure what comments you are looking at.
Plain question, would Jesus kill (weilding gun, axe, sword, dagger or whatever), in any circumstance, even in his day and age? Whats your position on this one?
Neo. How about wielding flood waters? Or wielding an Army under Gideon. Need more examples.
Jesus was on this earth to offer His own life, and no I don't see our earthly Jesus killing anyone, nor would I speculte on such things. As I said, it reminds me of Christ being questioned about paying taxes. Oh, but that's trivial. I's a loaded question. I don't see Jesus enlisting in the Army either. There are many cultural and societial things that I don't think Jesus would speak out on one way or another. Rend unto Caesar. However God executed judgment and will execute judgment.
neo-x wrote:And there are people today who abandon everything when they are called by the lord. But I think the west has not seen people like these lately.
The operative term being "called by the Lord."
Sounds a little like your on your high horse. Since I live in the West, and know people called to minsitry.
These acts are irrelavent, they are not life-death decisions, they are mere trivial things of life that would be irrelevant to even us lving today.
Most gun ownership is trivial. Look at the statistics for yourself.
This is quite a sorry argument and strawman here. We are not talking about just physical harm but killing. Everyone in the position would try to intervene, may be even kill the guy but that will be out of gut instinct, not of any Christian teachings.
If you are going to accuse Strawman, you ought not at least build one yourself in the same sentnace.
Where did I claim that killing somone in self-defense is a "Christian teaching?" Bart had conflated being killed by home invaders to dying as a martyr. Why don't you point that out? You really think that is a valid position? Yet you are silent. So, I said that in THIS case Bart would be neglecting his duties as a provider.
I agree persecution is a different thing, and have already stated such in this thread, so I fail to see your point there. Maybe you didn't read my comments regarding this to Bart. I totally support your families reaction.
I think you are misrepresenting what is going on in the US versus the rest of the world. What happens in the US is widely publicized. Have you ever heard anything regarding what BW mentioned in China? I haven't? Why not?
Osama was hated by almost everyone in the west and yet, Christ died for him as well and in all honesty, we are no different then he is, his sins are just more than the average joe. And may be you don't like the answer but it is true all the same. Without Christ, in God's eyes, Osama bin Laden and you and me and the pope are no different at all.
Absolutley Christ dies for him. And Christ died for every person in prison for violent crimes. Should we let them go? Should we have let Osama go free, or brought him to justice?
-“The Bible treated allegorically becomes putty in the hands of the exegete.” John Walvoord
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