jlay wrote:First, I want to try and tie this back to the original point of the thread. Danny my goal is not to get in an argument with you. Your statement just caught me that off guard. To be candid, I can't beleive a Christian would say such a thing. It truly boggles my mind. .
Jlay, I know you are not trying to argue with me. It's fine. If there is an error in my thinking then I'm happy to be challenged.
jlay wrote: Having ministered and shared the gospel, I can attest that the Gospel makes people UNCOMFORTABLE. Period. But we are to share. That is to bring our personal, private EXPERIENCE out of the closet (pardon the term) and into the World. As Jesus said, "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." Matthew 5:16. I totally fail to see how a family in the confines of their own home including you in a prayer could be seen as absurd. The claim you make is what I see as absurd. .
I said I found it absurd. I probably should have said “bizarre” as that would have been a more precise description of my feelings at the time. But I think you should realise that I wasn't calling the family absurd but was calling the whole thing absurd. I didn't come away thinking “that family is absurd/bizarre for praying like that”; no, I just came away think *the experience* was absurd/bizarre. (I now wish to continue with term “bizarre” only from here on.)
jlay wrote:It has everything to do with it. You quoted Jesus from Matthew in your original complaint. That makes a pretty clear statement that you are making a biblical argument against what they did. No? .
Yes but my Matthew 6:5-8 quote was mainly to point out that we are to pray in our closet (or place of solitude) and not among men. Matthew 26:36-46 you see Jesus going away to pray alone, even though the disciples are with him. Prayer is between man and God. Also see Luke 22:39-42. The LORD is our God, our Father, and our prayers to him should be easy and natural.
You are reading me wrong as I am not insinuating that my ex-girlfriends family was not sincere at all; I was merely talking from a personal perspective.
jlay wrote:I don't see how I am reading you wrong. .
They may well have been sincere; I just find it a bizarre thing to do from a personal perspective. However, I joined in as a guest in their home. I fail to see how you fail to see that you are reading me wrong…
jlay wrote:I've never felt uncomfortable bowing my head in prayer before a meal. Not in the least. But so what. What does my comfort have to do with it? .
Like I said, praying to our LORD should be an easy, natural and comfortable thing. I'm a little worried that you do not have this comfort, Jlay.
jlay wrote:Scripturally, How would you defend that one must feel comfortable in prayer? If you can not defend this scripturally I suggest you repent of this thinking. .
How do I defend this scripturally? Everywhere! The whole of scriptures are filled with God's love for his creation. Why on earth would you feel uncomfortable in your personal prayer with God? Scripturally, how do you defend being *uncomfortable* in prayer to such a wonderful, loving God?
jlay wrote:I agree. I am making judgments on your post. And yes, there is a right way to judge and a wrong way. It seems pretty clear in your post that you made a judgment that this family including you in their pre-meal blessing was wrong. You provided a scripture to try and make your case. I am pointing out that you are in error to use this scripture to defend this position. In this thread we are talking about experiencing God, and you apparently have a problem with how this family experiences God in their home. Seems incredibly odd too me.
I believe I am totally correct in providing that scripture as it highlights the personal, private prayer between man and God. I think it is a wonderful verse. Admittedly it appeared I was equating the family with the hypocrites in and out of the synagogues, but that was not the aim. The aim was mainly to highlight entering one's closet (place of solitude) to pray with our Father.
I do not have any problem with the family; I merely presented this example to Gman. Please do not think I have lived day and night since bearing some problem with the family. My problem at the time was having to sit through such an unnatural prayer; unnatural for me. And yes I did find it bizarre that they would have me pray with them.