Philip wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:23 am
Yes, because the tribulation clearly will have purpose, as there still will be saveable people before Christ's return. And I agree, many Jews will and have discovered Jesus prior to any apocalyptic events of tribulation - as well as will do so BECAUSE of them.
OK... I'll bite
I believe we have discussed some of this in another thread.
Based on the timing that Jesus and John give for the "Great Tribulation" of Jesus' Olivet Discourse and John's Apocalyptic vision (Mat 24:34, Rev 1:1-3), I believe that the re-grafting of broken off "natural branches" into the tree of Israel occurs during the time frame between "the Great Tribulation" and the return of Christ (ie "the times of the Gentiles" - Luke 21:24).
However, I do think there is a direct correlation between the three women of the book of Revelation and the branches of Paul's tree metaphor in Romans 11.
1. The Faithful Remnant of Israel - In Romans 11:5 Paul talks about a faithful remnant of Israel. This remnant of Israel who remains faithful to YHWH is represented in Paul's tree metaphor as 'natural branches' who are not broken off and remain part of the tree of God's covenant people. This remnant is faithful to YHWH and makes up the first followers of Jesus the Messiah in "Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria"
I believe the woman described in Revelation 12 is the faithful remnant that Paul describes in Romans 11:5. YHWH incarnate comes into the world through the Woman (Rev 12:5) and God protects the Woman during the Great Tribulation (Rev 12:13-14).
2. Unfaithful Israel/the Great Prostitute - In Romans 11:17 'some' of the 'natural branches' have been broken off due to their rejection of YHWH incarnate. I believe that John explicitly defines the Great Prostitute as unfaithful Israel. In Rev 17:18, John Identifies the Prostitute as the "great city", and Rev 11:8 identifies "the great city" as where "their Lord was crucified".
In Revelation 17 we see the Great Prostitute (unfaithful Israel) committing adultery with the Beast (Rome) and persecuting "God's holy people". And then in Rev 17:16 the Beast (Rome) destroys the Great Prostitute (apostate Israel) as Jerusalem is sacked by Rome and the Temple is destroyed in 70 AD. (Luke 21:20).
All that to say this. I believe that the apocalyptic events of Great Tribulation were a judgment on adulterous apostate Israel for their rejection of YHWH incarnate, which is why Jesus wept over Jerusalem.
But while apostate Israel (the Great Prostitute) faced judgment during the Great Tribulation, the faithful remnant of Israel (The Woman of Rev 12) was protected during the Great Tribulation...
Which brings us to the third woman in Revelation.
3. The Bride/"All Israel" - I believe the Bride in Rev 19:7 corresponds directly to "All Israel" in Romans 11:26. The Bride is the Church of Jesus Christ (YHWH incarnate). In Romans 11 the Bride is represented by the tree of all God's people, whether they are natural branches (faithful Israel) who have put their faith in Jesus the Messiah or whether they are wild branches (Gentiles) who have been grafted into "Israel of God" (Gal 6:16) through faith in Jesus.