How about, instead, we quit going by what some person claims and just focus on what the Bible actually tells us about it. First place, when a person tells you they were saved before they supposedly had such an experience, one has absolutely ZERO knowledge of whether they were or were not. And as we don't know what someone's previous status was at a particular place in time, then we cannot know that their contention is accurate. PLUS, what matters is whether a person was PERMANENTLY cast into Hell. Let's say the person is accurately telling you, at least what they perceived to be true. And IF so - and I tend to doubt these type of stories - but if true, were they merely show a cautionary vision of a future that hasn't happened yet - and that may not happen at all. I mean, these stories are all over the map and give no one any certainties that would give a reasonably skeptical person to believe them.
If OSAS is false, then it contradicts a BUNCH of Scripture. And secondly, it means that God sometimes saves someone, not to ETERNAL life, but to some unScriptural version of TEMPORARY eternal life (the ultimate oxymoron!). And lastly, as God can perfectly see the future - does He save a person who He can perfectly see that will not remain faithful in the future? That makes no sense whatsoever! But most importantly, WHO, exactly, maintains our salvation - us in our own sinful fleshly efforts, or God Who the Apostle Paul says: "And I am sure of this, that HE who began a good work in you
will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." And so, Who is "HE" in that verse - a sinful man or God Who saved a person to begin with? Does anyone believe they came to Christ without God's help - what does John 6:44 say about that? "NO one can come to me UNLESS the Father who sent me draws him
So, Scripture says we can't obtain our salvation on our own merits and the Apostle Paul says he is "SURE" that it is GOD Who BOTH begins our salvation and brings it to "completion." What does that word "COMPLETION" mean to you? How do you think Paul could be "SURE" of ANYONE'S salvation, if, once saved, THEY could lose it? This is unScriptural nonsense! Read through this, anyone who has doubts about it! https://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/ ... iever.html