melanie wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:33 am
It’s quite a polarising difference of opinion here.
A believer no matter how flawed is still a believer vs false believers really lack any real saving faith at all.
It fundamentally is very different schools of thought on saving faith. I think we often try to see things as not divisive so we fall back on the very nice idea that differing beliefs don’t really divide within the Christian parameters.
But really when we are talking about who is saved then that is I think not only doctrinally extremely important but has to be quite divisive. By the nature of how serious the question.
That is the big question that totally polarises different Christian faiths.
With that comes, which is really inevitable pride. When we’re right and others aren’t then well we’re right.
Somehow the Good News is about determining how right we are about the message. I know I fall into that.
Who doesn’t want to be right in faith?
We are not judged on our doctrine. Nor on our pride. Or mistakes. On our deeds or self perceived notions of goodness.
Every person stands before Our Lord, broken and in sin.
That is without question all our fate.
We don’t do better than another to get further because that is self serving. We are never any better than another.
When we start trying to determine how right, better or good we are then pride steps in.
So how are we saved?
It’s nothing we do, Jesus took care of that because none of us could.
Mel, please consider that we are entering in the phase mentioned in the bible as perilous times. In fact, Revelation chapter two and three both reveal that God is separating the fake form the true because judgment begins in the house of God first. False doctrine and teaching will increase. We have been warned of this and here it is gaining increasing momentum daily.
1 Peter 4:17,18,19 says what it says - like it or not.
You are correct, it is not about what we do. However, that phrase is being taken to an extreme to mean anything goes nowadays - anything you believe is okay, laziness is okay, apathy is okay, but be sure to do things like let Muslims into your country to take it over as that is loving, and support what God defines as sexual immorality as okay because they have a right due to God beings so lovingly tolerant note -1 Co 6:9,10,11.
God does not change. However, people love to change God into their own likes. There is even a cry beginning in the church that God hates old theology - note Jeremiah 6:16 - and demands it changes to a new theology more culturally in sync with the times, note Jeremiah 18:15
Yep, it is true, the great apostasy is gearing up to its own crescendo in the church and that comes first before Jesus returns to rescue his people from what comes next, which isn't pretty.
All of us need to make a decision which path to follow - Jer 6:16