Why Did Jesus Say, "The Father Is Greater Than I" (John 14:28)?

General discussions about Christianity including salvation, heaven and hell, Christian history and so on.
Post Reply
PaulSacramento
Board Moderator
Posts: 9228
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:29 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Ontario, Canada
Has liked: 124 times
Been liked: 349 times

Why Did Jesus Say, "The Father Is Greater Than I" (John 14:28)?

#1

Post by PaulSacramento » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:26 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzBesvLK5bE


I really good video on Jesus' statement that "the Father is greater than I".
These users liked this post by PaulSacramento (total 2):
DBowling (Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:56 pm) • patrick (Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:47 am)

User avatar
RickD
Board Moderator
Posts: 21641
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen
Has liked: 203 times
Been liked: 1109 times

Re: Why Did Jesus Say, "The Father Is Greater Than I" (John 14:28)?

#2

Post by RickD » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:07 pm

Great find Paul!

He really explains it well. I think it would not only speak to Muslims, but also to those here who argue that Jesus isn't God, or isn't fully God.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Kenny wrote:
"You don’t need faith, logic, reason, proof, or anything else to be atheist, all you need to do is reject what someone told you."



St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony

User avatar
Kurieuo
Honored Member
Posts: 10032
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:25 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Progressive Creationist
Location: Qld, Australia
Has liked: 647 times
Been liked: 665 times

Re: Why Did Jesus Say, "The Father Is Greater Than I" (John 14:28)?

#3

Post by Kurieuo » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:03 pm

"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)

PaulSacramento
Board Moderator
Posts: 9228
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:29 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Ontario, Canada
Has liked: 124 times
Been liked: 349 times

Re: Why Did Jesus Say, "The Father Is Greater Than I" (John 14:28)?

#4

Post by PaulSacramento » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:28 am

Kurieuo wrote:Yes, sadly it didn't help here with Mazzy. ;)
You are not going to convince people that think that Jesus being God makes him his own father !

Muslims know that is NOT what the Trinity says that is why they try to "attack" it on the grounds of what SEEMS to be statements of Jesus stating He is Less than God or that God is His God.

Christian2
Advanced Senior Member
Posts: 986
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:27 am
Has liked: 0
Been liked: 11 times

Re: Why Did Jesus Say, "The Father Is Greater Than I" (John 14:28)?

#5

Post by Christian2 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:30 am

Great video. Thank you. I posted it on another forum and got a lot of hits, but no comments.

I'm dealing with a non-trin, who claims she was brought up Trinitarian. I have my doubts, or she had the worse teacher ever. She is completely out of control on this one. I picture her as foaming at the mouth. She posted some "historical proofs" as to how the Trinitarian doctrine affected the pure doctrine of the disciples.

The she cited this article in regard to Matthew 28:19:

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/matt2819-willis.htm

Perhaps she is just trying to convince herself that she is on the right track?!

PaulSacramento
Board Moderator
Posts: 9228
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:29 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Ontario, Canada
Has liked: 124 times
Been liked: 349 times

Re: Why Did Jesus Say, "The Father Is Greater Than I" (John 14:28)?

#6

Post by PaulSacramento » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:48 am

In the end, it is simple:
The Trinity doctrine is a statement about the nature of Father, Son and HS.
The Father is God ( no issue there).
The Son is of the same nature as God ( if not He can NOT save us)
The HS is of God and The Son ( so must have the same nature as well).

The Trinity is not a statement of AUTHORITY so any passage that states that Jesus is less than The Father is NOT relevant to The Trinity.

To disprove the Trinity one must show that Christ and HS are NOT of the same nature, same essence as The Father and IF that is proven then it means this:
Christianity, ALL Christianity that views Christ as Lord and Saviour, is WRONG.

Post Reply