Understanding the Trinity

[Jac3510]

I'm thinking my terminology was wrong. Lets' try 'this' -- Jesus Christ had to ascend back up to the Father in heaven so that the Holy Spirit could come to indwell believers. Jesus Christ could only be one place at a time -- in His human form -- as the Son -- teaching a group or individually. But He could Not be with each individual believer all the time. So the Son had done His 'job' and was returning to the Godhead so that the Holy Spirit could continue to do His job -- in the Old Testament, He would come and go from people. But in the New Testament -- He, the Holy Spirit, would be permanently indwelling each believer.

So -- the Holy Spirit was not Given - He came to fulfill his given responsibility in the Godhead.

Is This making sense?

actually, Christ did not have to ascend first, there are several instances where the hs was given to believers before Christ ascended.

"But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you."

[jenna]

Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?

And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?

the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.

So my wife wasn't given to me in marriage?

what does this have to do with the subject?

*shrug* I think it's obvious. If you don't, fine.

not an answer, but if that is how you want to play it, thats your choice.

[jenna]

I'm thinking my terminology was wrong. Lets' try 'this' -- Jesus Christ had to ascend back up to the Father in heaven so that the Holy Spirit could come to indwell believers. Jesus Christ could only be one place at a time -- in His human form -- as the Son -- teaching a group or individually. But He could Not be with each individual believer all the time. So the Son had done His 'job' and was returning to the Godhead so that the Holy Spirit could continue to do His job -- in the Old Testament, He would come and go from people. But in the New Testament -- He, the Holy Spirit, would be permanently indwelling each believer.

So -- the Holy Spirit was not Given - He came to fulfill his given responsibility in the Godhead.

Is This making sense?

actually, Christ did not have to ascend first, there are several instances where the hs was given to believers before Christ ascended.

"But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you."

tell this to Peter, Paul, and John. or are you saying that they did not have the HS working with them?

[Jac3510]

So how do you understand Jesus' words? Because when someone quotes Jesus and you say, "Tell that to so and so," it's hard not to draw the conclusion that you're saying Jesus' words were wrong based on that so and so.

[jenna]

So how do you understand Jesus' words? Because when someone quotes Jesus and you say, "Tell that to so and so," it's hard not to draw the conclusion that you're saying Jesus' words were wrong based on that so and so.

*shrug* I think it's obvious. If you don't, fine.

[Jac3510]

Glad you think it's funny, jenna, to ignore Jesus' words and tell Him that He's wrong.

[crochet1949]

Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?

And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?

the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.

So my wife wasn't given to me in marriage?

Jac -- your response mystifies me.

[Jac3510]

1. The HS is given;
2. Persons are not given;
3. Thus, the HS is not a person.

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1. My wife was given;
2. Persons are not given;
3. Therefore, my wife is not a person

[B. W.]

1. The HS is given;
2. Persons are not given;
3. Thus, the HS is not a person.

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1. My wife was given;
2. Persons are not given;
3. Therefore, my wife is not a person

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[jenna]

Glad you think it's funny, jenna, to ignore Jesus' words and tell Him that He's wrong.

funny how you do the same. or as you say, just look at the context.

[jenna]

Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?

And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?

the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.

So my wife wasn't given to me in marriage?

Jac -- your response mystifies me.

thank you, at least it wasnt just me

[jenna]

1. The HS is given;
2. Persons are not given;
3. Thus, the HS is not a person.

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1. My wife was given;
2. Persons are not given;
3. Therefore, my wife is not a person

is this supposed to make sense? your logic eludes me.

[RickD]

And I thought I was slow...



Jac,

It makes perfect sense.

[RickD]

Jenna,

This thread is about understanding the Trinity.

You are still arguing against the Trinity, even though you don't understand what the doctrine is.

You'd be much better off asking questions about things you don't understand, than arguing against it. It makes you look like you have no desire to learn, and that you're only here to argue.

There is nobody on this forum who is better at answering questions, and explaining the Trinity, than Jac. You'd do well to just pick his brain, and learn from him.

Or,

You can ignore me, and continue arguing against something that you very clearly do not understand.

[jenna]

Jenna,

This thread is about understanding the Trinity.

You are still arguing against the Trinity, even though you don't understand what the doctrine is.

You'd be much better off asking questions about things you don't understand, than arguing against it. It makes you look like you have no desire to learn, and that you're only here to argue.

There is nobody on this forum who is better at answering questions, and explaining the Trinity, than Jac. You'd do well to just pick his brain, and learn from him.

Or,

You can ignore me, and continue arguing against something that you very clearly do not understand.

And I thought I was slow...

yes, i have been ignoring you for the most part. with comments like the one above, who can blame me? you have done nothing but make comments like these for awhile now.