Jesus uses the illustration of the garbage pit called Gehenna outside of Jerusalem, transliterated as the English word Hell. It would have been filled with dead carcases of animals and because of that, filled with maggots and worms. The fires were lit to burn rubbish and because of the population of the city, the fires probably burned continually. Jesus claims the worm dieth not, three times in Mark 9, again referring (literally I believe) to the garbage pit and not eternal "Hell" fire. I don't understand how worms (maggots) can live in eternal fire or why worms would even be there, if Jesus is not being literal here.
In Isa 66:24 a figure of speech is utilized called an Aganactesis; or Indignation, which is an expression of feeling by way of indignation, which is the same figure Christ employs in Mark ch 9, "where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched". Even in Isaiah's time, the valley of Gehenna called the valley of Hinnom was used for refuse collection and would have been filled with worms (maggots) and burned daily with fires.
DannyM wrote:Kat, this is speaking of the new order.
Yes. Check out verse 5. God claims He is making "everything" new.
DannyM wrote:Now to the key part:
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practise magic arts, the idolaters and all liars— their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulphur. This is the second death.
Verse 8 clearly says it is the second death and is a reference back to the previous chapter, ch 20 of Rev because death had already been done away with in Rev 20:14.
RickD wrote:What about our spirits? The soul is what gives us mind, will, and emotions. Some animals have souls(Nephesh). Humans are the only creatures with spirits(made in the image of God). Spirits are eternal(in the had a beginning, but no ending kind of eternal). That's why I don't agree with annihilation.
According to 1Cor 15:44, there is a natural body and a spiritual body. I believe the soul is the intellect or mind of the spiritual body. I would disagree that spirits are eternal because I believe that only those who believed in Christ are resurrected with an immortal soul in the first resurrection. Those who didn't will have a mortal soul, meaning it's still liable to die and unlike those who attain the first resurrection, they will either attain the second resurrection or suffer the second death.
RickD wrote:What about our spirit? Or, are you confusing souls and spirits, perhaps?
Lol, I hope not.
Well it may be the devil or it may be the Lord but you know you gotta serve somebody. Bob Dylan
Every one that is of the truth hears my voice. Jesus from John 18:37