jpbg33 wrote:kurieuo you bid not Finnish that chapter. Later on in that chapter the Bible says we are set free from serving sin though Jesus and that as long as we live in the spirit we will live above sin.
That chapter was saying what I am saying that if you walk in the spirit you will not sin.
Summing up the whole chapter not just the first part. That chapter is saying that in the flesh we can not live right but through Jesus we can live in the spirit and if we stop living according to the flesh and live in the spirit then we will live right and that is the only way we can live right is in the spirit.
That is why the Bible says to walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
I quoted a passage, nothing more or less. There is lots after, and lots before, such is the nature of quoting a passage in Scripture. But,
there is nothing later on in that chapter (Romans 7) which says: "we are set free from serving sin though Jesus and that as long as we live in the spirit we will live above sin.
" So, please quote the passage you are referring to?
Nonetheless, I'll raise you on your question in this thread. You ask "Can you live a sinless life after salvation?
", where I understand "salvation" to mean, after some sort of being saved via some sort of coming to Christ. Well, let us see what Scripture says in 1 John 3:
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
From this passage, it seems the question should rather be "Are we saved if we sin after coming to Christ?
In light of this 1 John 3 passage jpbg, I have two questions for you:
1) Are you born of God, born again in Christ?
2) Have you sinned since?
If you answered "yes" to the first, and then "yes" to the second, then because you have sinned it seems according to Scripture that God is not in you, you're not born of God, and you're not actually saved afterall.
This (continual sin) is a problem we all face. Since I don't believe there is anyone here, any Christian anywhere, including the Apostle Paul who himself admits to his own weaknesses and failings in the flesh, who has remained 100% without sin after coming to believe/place their "faith" in Christ.
Is noone therefore saved? I invite you to unpack this for me jpbg. For the end result of such thoughts isn't gospel ("good news") but rather a message of doom from an all-righteous God who will condemn every single one of us.