Understanding the Trinity

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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby crochet1949 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:55 am

jenna wrote:
crochet1949 wrote:Okay -- so -- shall we continue? In the morning -- It's late where I am.

yes we can continue anytime you would like. :wave:


Sounds like a Great idea.

So -- if we can go back to the latest comment. The Holy Spirit's role in Mary's conception of Jesus Christ. And/ or God's role.

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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby jenna » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:10 am

crochet1949 wrote:Well -- yes, the power of the Highest working Through the Holy Spirit. "for that which is conceived in her Is of the Holy Spirit'."

yes, it is His power that caused her to conceive. again, the HS is the power God has to do the things He does.
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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby RickD » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:05 am

jenna wrote:
crochet1949 wrote:Well -- yes, the power of the Highest working Through the Holy Spirit. "for that which is conceived in her Is of the Holy Spirit'."

yes, it is His power that caused her to conceive. again, the HS is the power God has to do the things He does.

Nope. Still not understanding.
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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby crochet1949 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:40 am

Jenna -- what part of the Godhead comes to indwell each believer at the moment of their salvation?

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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby jenna » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:33 pm

crochet1949 wrote:Jenna -- what part of the Godhead comes to indwell each believer at the moment of their salvation?

the holy spirit is given to them. but the holy spirit is not part of the Godhead.
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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby crochet1949 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:32 pm

Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?

And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?

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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby jenna » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:03 pm

crochet1949 wrote:Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?

And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?

the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.
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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby RickD » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:19 pm

1 Corinthians 1:9
9 God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby crochet1949 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:20 pm

I'm thinking my terminology was wrong. Lets' try 'this' -- Jesus Christ had to ascend back up to the Father in heaven so that the Holy Spirit could come to indwell believers. Jesus Christ could only be one place at a time -- in His human form -- as the Son -- teaching a group or individually. But He could Not be with each individual believer all the time. So the Son had done His 'job' and was returning to the Godhead so that the Holy Spirit could continue to do His job -- in the Old Testament, He would come and go from people. But in the New Testament -- He, the Holy Spirit, would be permanently indwelling each believer.

So -- the Holy Spirit was not Given - He came to fulfill his given responsibility in the Godhead.

Is This making sense?

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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby crochet1949 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:24 pm




That is an excellent link. Thank you.

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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby RickD » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:26 pm

Crochet,

The terminology you used, saying the Holy Spirit is given, is perfectly acceptable.
Here's some examples from scripture, talking about The Holy Spirit being given:
https://www.openbible.info/topics/holy_spirit
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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby Jac3510 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:40 pm

jenna wrote:
crochet1949 wrote:Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?

And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?

the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.

So my wife wasn't given to me in marriage?
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And that, brothers and sisters, is the kind of foolishness you get people who insist on denying biblical theism. A good illustration of any as the length people will go to avoid acknowledging basic truths.

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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby jenna » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:14 pm

Jac3510 wrote:
jenna wrote:
crochet1949 wrote:Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?

And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?

the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.

So my wife wasn't given to me in marriage?

what does this have to do with the subject?
some things are better left unsaid, which i generally realize after i have said them

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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby jenna » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:17 pm

crochet1949 wrote:I'm thinking my terminology was wrong. Lets' try 'this' -- Jesus Christ had to ascend back up to the Father in heaven so that the Holy Spirit could come to indwell believers. Jesus Christ could only be one place at a time -- in His human form -- as the Son -- teaching a group or individually. But He could Not be with each individual believer all the time. So the Son had done His 'job' and was returning to the Godhead so that the Holy Spirit could continue to do His job -- in the Old Testament, He would come and go from people. But in the New Testament -- He, the Holy Spirit, would be permanently indwelling each believer.

So -- the Holy Spirit was not Given - He came to fulfill his given responsibility in the Godhead.

Is This making sense?

actually, Christ did not have to ascend first, there are several instances where the hs was given to believers before Christ ascended.
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Re: Understanding the Trinity

Postby Jac3510 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:28 pm

jenna wrote:
Jac3510 wrote:
jenna wrote:
crochet1949 wrote:Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?

And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?

the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.

So my wife wasn't given to me in marriage?

what does this have to do with the subject?

*shrug* I think it's obvious. If you don't, fine.
Proinsias wrote:I don't think you are hearing me. Preference for ice cream is a moral issue

And that, brothers and sisters, is the kind of foolishness you get people who insist on denying biblical theism. A good illustration of any as the length people will go to avoid acknowledging basic truths.


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