The symbol of the cross vs the symbol of the ankh

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The symbol of the cross vs the symbol of the ankh

Postby desmondingram23 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:33 am

Hello, As a Christian how would I breakdown the difference between the symbol of the cross and the symbol of the ankh of ancient egypt? We know that Christianity did not copy the symbol of the ankh but once again how would I explain this to an unbeliever especially those who entertains the "Dying and rising god myth"

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Re: The symbol of the cross vs the symbol of the ankh

Postby Storyteller » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:46 am

The cross represents the gift Christ gaves us.

The ankh represents, or represented, a belief in the afterlife.
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Re: The symbol of the cross vs the symbol of the ankh

Postby PaulSacramento » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:17 pm

The Cross was a symbol of humiliation and punishment, the worse the Roman world had to offer to criminals.
Jesus turned it into a symbol of hope and victory and salvation.

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Re: The symbol of the cross vs the symbol of the ankh

Postby winningedge101 » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:10 pm

Well only the craziest most fringe people who happen to have a PHD(they usually don't) entertain these comparative religion theories. It's ridiculous. the ankh has nothing to do with Christianity and the cross has nothing to with Ancient Egypt, seeing as Ancient Egypt did not have crucification at that time period. I would explain to your friend that the ankh was a symbol for life and cultures all over the world used it. The ankh is even on the seal of King Hezekiah. There is nothing to connect the two, and you should also tell him that the comparative religion this is a sham.

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Re: The symbol of the cross vs the symbol of the ankh

Postby JButler » Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:14 am

winningedge101 wrote:Well only the craziest most fringe people who happen to have a PHD(they usually don't) entertain these comparative religion theories. It's ridiculous. the ankh has nothing to do with Christianity and the cross has nothing to with Ancient Egypt, seeing as Ancient Egypt did not have crucification at that time period. I would explain to your friend that the ankh was a symbol for life and cultures all over the world used it. The ankh is even on the seal of King Hezekiah. There is nothing to connect the two, and you should also tell him that the comparative religion this is a sham.


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Re: The symbol of the cross vs the symbol of the ankh

Postby JButler » Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:23 am

PaulSacramento wrote:The Cross was a symbol of humiliation and punishment, the worse the Roman world had to offer to criminals.
Jesus turned it into a symbol of hope and victory and salvation.


Genesis 50:20

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Re: The symbol of the cross vs the symbol of the ankh

Postby Hortator » Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:36 am

Besides, doesn't the Ankh have a "loop" ovular shape at the top of the 't' ?

Kind of hard to mistake the two. The Christian cross has no official copyright, but it's well understood to look like a lower-case T

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Re: The symbol of the cross vs the symbol of the ankh

Postby B. W. » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:44 am

desmondingram23 wrote:Hello, As a Christian how would I breakdown the difference between the symbol of the cross and the symbol of the ankh of ancient egypt? We know that Christianity did not copy the symbol of the ankh but once again how would I explain this to an unbeliever especially those who entertains the "Dying and rising god myth"


This sounds so Rastafari to me...

The folks answered you very well and all I can add is this:

The Rastafarins teach what your questions implies. So in response I will post here what I wrote you in your Laws of Maat thread:

desmondingram23 wrote:Hey, I came across "the 42 laws of maat" not to long ago and obviously I don't believe Moses copied or stole the ten commandments from "the 42 laws of maat " So my question is what would be the best apologetic response to someone who believes the ten commandments were stolen?


What one forgets is that Adam and Eve - Abel, Cain, Seth, and Enosh's generations knew who God is. From the time of Cain began a slow drifting away from the knowledge of God and according the best Jewish scholars of their own ancient history these scholars come to the conclusions that during Enosh's generation (Gen 4:26) that the reason Enosh taught on the name of the Lord was that folks were straying away from knowing God, creating Idols, and began worshiping falling angels who were giving secret ways and knowledge in exchange for something. The link below sheds some light on the era of Enosh to support what I said.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... -Enosh.htm

The devil and his minions indeed know scripture and twist it as proven in Luke 4:1-14. These beings will influence people to turn away from knowing who God really is and God's desire for humanity. They did so through the fall in the Garden of Eden following the human family tree ever since as Paul mentions in Rom 5:12.

This is not what is counted in such debates, that Adam and Eve once walked with God, knew Him as did the earliest family line. That came first - Not the teaching of Maat or Hammurabi's code, or even Buddha's saying. Those folks are not as old as Enosh. Adam/Eve, Seth and Enosh came way before Egyptians, Babylonians, Canaanites, Greeks, Romans, Celt's...best and noblest writings we have recorded in archaeology.

Understanding how the devil does his best to twist the truth to have folks doubt the bible and God, I find it no surprise that such arguments are popular today to say the bible borrowed from ancient paganism without considering that people strayed away from the knowledge of God to suit their own ends. Thus, the devil continues to cast doubt on God's name/character so that people justify themselves not to call upon the Name of the YHWH today.

So, I have to ask, desmondingram23, is that your intent? I hope not...

Let me say that Satan before he fell walked before God as Ez 28:12-19 mentions and understood things we do not such as that God is a God of truth. Being the God of truth he cannot lie and as such Satan did know something limited about the Lamb of God Slain Before the Foundation of the world, Rev 13:8 NKJV. It is reasonable and logical to deduce this.

Satan then did his best to thwart that by creating a false narrative for humanity to follow by idol worship and the worship of demons and fallen angels sent to mimic the truth about what and who this lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world to cast doubt on this.

Thus, by the time of Enosh or spelled as Enos in Greek text, this endeavor was in full swing. That (Enosh) epoch of human History, according to the best scholars marked the time this deception began in earnest. Genesis Chapter Six is devoted to the outcome of this falling away from God's Name and what God did to stop it.

It would be up to those presenting the case that the bible plagiarized ancient paganism, laws, customs to prove that these were not instead derived by being borrowed from God's truth he desired for humanity and then twisted away from that truth as is the nature of Satan and his minions.

Satan uses truth to turn truth against itself. He seeks to prove God a lair and thus exalt his throne above God's. He does so by pitting God's character traits, words, promises, gifts, against each other. Has God said... Has God really said... no different than the ten commandments were stolen... Hammurabi had at least 5 of the ten C's... etc and etc on and on it goes.

Like Jac said, So What...
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