Kenny wrote:Kenny wrote:I'm saying choosing corn flakes was not caused by my waking up, something else was involved.Audacity wrote: But although something else was involved, waking up had to be a participating cause. If you hadn't woken up could you have chosen?
True! But waking up was not involved in the decision making process of what to eat
KenAudacity wrote:Not saying it originated outside your mind, only that it was not a free act but one determined by cause/effect. Even this "method" you mention would be operating either utterly randomly or through the process of cause/effect. Take your pick: neither support free will.
But if the cause/effect that lead to the action is controlled by my mind, that's free will; right?
KenAudacity wrote: Free will is a bit more than that.
Will is the capacity to act decisively on one's desires.
Free will is to do so undirected by controlling influences.
Cause/effect events are considered to be controlling influences that direct the will to do X and only X.
I’m saying the cause/effect influence come from my mind.Audacity wrote: And because of its nature---the effect can only be what it is caused to be---the mind cannot control it. Such cause/effect events only reside in the mind. If one postulated that the mind was in control then the question would be, What makes the mind control X like "this" rather than like "that"?
The one in control of my mind; me.Audacity wrote: And we're right back to square one: beCAUSE. . . . . . . . .
I control my mind via free will.
Then good for you. You're a one-of-a-kind.