Yrreg wrote: viewtopic.php?p=80110#p80110
Here is my concept of change: a situation where things are acting without any regulated directions and manners.
An example of such a situation is the scene inside a giant concrete mixer where sand, gravel, cement, and water are moving in all and every directions, everything inside hitting each other, and the mixer is rotating in quick successions clockwise and counterclockwise and up and down and left and right and fast and slow, etc. -- you get the picture.
Well, the way I see it, atheists don't believe that there is order in the totality of existence; but just the same for them chance produces for example life and the species of life, including of course humans with conscious intelligence and volition.
My point is that their concept of chance is not chance if it can produce life and species of life and human beings.
Because genuine chance as I understand chance cannot produce anything at all that is stable or that stays in a permanent form like for example your nose and my nose.
And I understand chance as in the concrete mixer I described in my post above.
Of course even in that kind of chance inside the concrete mixer as God exists Who made everything and is in charge of everything and keeps everything in operation, there is ultimately no chance but order only we cannot see it.
Addressing atheists here: Do you explain the rise of life by bringing in chance, in which case how do you understand chance?
Please, everyone theist and atheist, tell me what you know to be the concept of chance with atheists in regard to the origin of life.