EssentialSacrifice wrote:sorry bud, you've missed the point here. all i am saying is Mary birthed both the human and the Godly "man' at once, at the same time. This closeness cannot be compared to everyday life, ie: walking with sinners, and in that sense it does make sense, imo.
I must have misunderstood what you were trying to put forward, then. Why say 'the humand and the Godly 'man' at once, at the same time'? Aren't you just saying she birthed Jesus? But we all know that. I think I'm still missing your point.
Who is our Idol? Jesus. Never Mary, never any other character from the Bible.
couldn't agree more ...
I know you do. And I know cc dogma does. Many, many catholics (from all generations, and a lot from older ones) take Mary past cc doctrine.
Everything cc dogma has induced about her takes glory from Him and it's a lie to propose otherwise
absolutely untrue, and if this is all the better they taught you in all your years, your Catholic education was a waste. This is the opposite of the teachings of Catholicism and any other interpretation is incorrect.
That is a conclusion from all the evidences. Harmonizing cc doctrine to the Bible, and how it is exercised by the ministry and then by lay people. I'm putting forward those are the blazing unintended results of so much unnecessary and extra-biblical [and obviously some I believe to be unbiblicle] dogma. I'd be willing to go into lengths to explain why, but perhaps that's better for another thread if there is even any mutual interest?
Although Mary is the Mother of God, she is not his mother in the sense that she is older than God or the source of her Son’s divinity, for she is neither. Rather, we say that she is the Mother of God in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person—Jesus Christ, God "in the flesh" (2 John 7, cf. John 1:14)—and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ.
Yes, that's apparent. What does it matter? Sorry, I know I don't put 'all my guns forward'.
There is a difference between veneration of Mary and worship of Jesus. This was formalized in writing way back in 757 AD at the Seventh General Council:
Latria - adoration that is given to the Trinity alone; occurs 5 times in the Bible but always refers to God (Jn 16:2, Rm:9:4, 12:6, Heb 9:1,6)
Hyper-dulia - veneration to Mary (as the mother of God)
Dulia - honor paid to saints and angels; occurs 5 times in the Bible (Rm 8:15, 21; Gal 4:24, 5:1; Heb 2:15)
There are plenty of Old Testament references that distinguish veneration from worship. "Then Moses went out to meet his father in law, and he bowed down and kissed him.." (Exo 18:7)...(also 1 Chron 29:20, 1 Sam 24:8)
I don't know why we should venerate anyone, including Mary. It's unfounded to me, and extra-biblical.
I'm not a silly one saying catholics worship Mary. My lovely mother is a devote Roman Catholic (and we've had extensive talks). And I know catholics don't pray to saints like one says a pray to God. But both catholic practices are from men, not Him. And if that is the case, it detracts from His narrow path. Why do it? Stumbling blocks are being put up, barriers between our way to Him and His way to Him. It's illogical. That's where I'm coming from.