Theory on the Ant-Christ

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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby Gman » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:17 pm

Some even do it like this... Again, this is just speculation. Since we are on this subject, it's not really my view...

Red Horse = Communism
White horse = Catholicism
Black Horse = Capitolism
Pale Horse = Islam

Revelation 6:1-8

1 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! (Catholicism) Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

3 When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” 4 Then another horse came out, a fiery red one (Communism). Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.

5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse!(Capitalism) Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages,[d] and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

7 When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse!(Islam) Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby Katetblue » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:25 pm

Gman wrote:Some even do it like this... Again, this is just speculation. Since we are on this subject, it's not really my view...

Red Horse = Communism
White horse = Catholicism
Black Horse = Capitolism
Pale Horse = Islam

Revelation 6:1-8

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I don't see where Capitalism fits or communism but Catholicism in the historical context does and even Islam to some degree. I haven't heard of this exact belief. Anyway, I am curious who you think Christ is speaking of Matthew 24:24-26 regarding the inner rooms? That has always fit the Priests in my opinion.

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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby Gman » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:33 pm

Katetblue wrote:I don't see where Capitalism fits or communism but Catholicism in the historical context does and even Islam to some degree. I haven't heard of this exact belief. Anyway, I am curious who you think Christ is speaking of Matthew 24:24-26 regarding the inner rooms? That has always fit the Priests in my opinion.


Capitalism? Revelation 6:6 "Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages,[d] and do not damage the oil and the wine!" Could be the stock market and our quest for oil...

As for Matthew 24:24-26, it could be anything.. Mormonism, Catholic, etc.. Not sure.

No offense to our Catholic brotherhood here..

These aren't exactly my beliefs.. I just heard of it a few days ago..
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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby Katetblue » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:54 pm

Gman wrote:
Katetblue wrote:I don't see where Capitalism fits or communism but Catholicism in the historical context does and even Islam to some degree. I haven't heard of this exact belief. Anyway, I am curious who you think Christ is speaking of Matthew 24:24-26 regarding the inner rooms? That has always fit the Priests in my opinion.


Capitalism? Revelation 6:6 "Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages,[d] and do not damage the oil and the wine!" Could be the stock market and our quest for oil...

As for Matthew 24:24-26, it could be anything.. Mormonism, Catholic, etc.. Not sure.

No offense to our Catholic brotherhood here..

These aren't exactly my beliefs.. I just heard of it a few days ago..


What are your beliefs? You have posted several theories and made some good points in the one about Islam but haven't said what you believe.

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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby puritan lad » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:32 am

Yikes!!!

This may be another subject, but the Bible clearly supports capitalism. In fact, of you are looking for a broader theme in the book of Revelation, Christ is waging war against any sort of statism.
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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby Canuckster1127 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:52 am

Great. Economics, Politics and Religion all in one sentence. Methinks this line of conversation might not end well ..... ;)
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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby Gman » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:09 pm

puritan lad wrote:Yikes!!!

This may be another subject, but the Bible clearly supports capitalism. In fact, of you are looking for a broader theme in the book of Revelation, Christ is waging war against any sort of statism.


The Bible supports socialism too...
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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby Gman » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:23 pm

Katetblue wrote:
What are your beliefs? You have posted several theories and made some good points in the one about Islam but haven't said what you believe.


I like pulling from many sources so I'm not exactly riveted to one idea.. My belief however is that there is a good chance that the anti-Christ will come from Islam. The topic of Israeli Zionism will certainly be heating up in the next following months/years and should be the focal point of the world's news. More nations will fall away from Israeli support and it probably will be left abandoned. The holocaust will be old news and will be turned against Israel as a political ploy. After that, the world will find out who is in charge as Christ returns.. Israel will survive.

Again my best guess..
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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby Katetblue » Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:31 am

Canuckster1127 wrote:Great. Economics, Politics and Religion all in one sentence. Methinks this line of conversation might not end well ..... ;)


I know right? :)

Great points made by everyone. I have to take all the information posted here on Islam and study it more in depth.

I don't belong to any certain denomination anymore because some of the other beliefs taught in the mainstream Church I don't agree with at all. Like some of the theories on Israel, the rapture, and current end times theories.

Does anyone have any other ideas on what is meant by, or who is suppose to be the man of sin, son of perdition mentioned in Thessalonians 2:3? In this scripture it goes on to say that he will set himself up as God in the temple of God showing himself that he is God. I take that to mean the Pope since that is what he did. In Islam they didn't do that and still don't unless I am missing something. I am just curious of others opinions.

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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby B. W. » Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:37 am

Gman wrote:
Katetblue wrote:What are your beliefs? You have posted several theories and made some good points in the one about Islam but haven't said what you believe.
I like pulling from many sources so I'm not exactly riveted to one idea.. My belief however is that there is a good chance that the anti-Christ will come from Islam. The topic of Israeli Zionism will certainly be heating up in the next following months/years and should be the focal point of the world's news. More nations will fall away from Israeli support and it probably will be left abandoned. The holocaust will be old news and will be turned against Israel as a political ploy. After that, the world will find out who is in charge as Christ returns.. Israel will survive. Again my best guess..


What is the correlation between empires mentioned in Daniel concerning Nebuchadnezzar’s statue/idol dream?

Babylon Empire - Gold
Mede/Persian Empire - Silver
Greek Empire - Brass
Roman Empire - Iron

B. W. wrote: Please Note:There is a common theme between them all. I will forgo citing reference sources here as these would too numerous to cite, this discourse is too long as it is to make it longer. I suggest you do your own research. If you use the internet, I’ll supply key phases so you can search this out on your own at the end of this survey.


First thing to note is that the Babylon Empire, Mede/Persian Empire, Greek Empire, and Roman Empire all sought to dominate other kingdoms and subjugate the known world under their own Laws. Each of these enactments of Laws incorporated an evolving use of governors, Satraps, etc and etc, along with each empire’s codes of governing standards. After a period of time elapsed each empire tumbled into division, excess, intrigue, infighting, eventual chaos, and collapse which resulted in the splintering of these empires.

Common to that ancient era, each of these four Empires had a deity that would bless their endeavors of world governance. This brings us to the next common trait all these Empires used – worship of Celestial planetary bodies and stars and assigning gods to each. This began an blending each empires pseudo gods causing these evolve and developed traits. Each Empire basically gave preeminence two deities, which developed into assigning planetary masses and stars to a pantheon. The bible tells us that such paganism is an abomination to Yahweh and not to practice such things.

In the pagan world of those eras of history each had one supreme deity (usually related to Sun) and the others related planetary and stars in the sky they could see. Assyria’s pantheon began to be blended into the Babylonian Empire’s pantheon of gods. This influenced a Babylonian empire ruler to adopt a foreign god known as Nannar – moon god.

Then in turn each Empire represented in Daniels interpretation of the Idol was influenced by a story how this moon god wanted to supplant the head deity and rule all the stars/universe. The common theme of the moon god -Sin/Nanna- was the crescent moon symbol. The moon god’s goal was to have all other gods religions submit to it and implement a set of law to govern all to ensure submission.

Sound familiar?

The statue in the book of Daniel represented the Babylon Empire – Gold, Mede/Persian Empire – Silver, Greek Empire – Brass and these three all shared in worship of the foreign moon god from Assyria. In fact, Alexander the Great empire was lauded to be represented by the Artemis temple in Ephesus, then, one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world – See Link Godess of the Moon

Next, the Roman Empire – worshiped every pseudo-god there was, mixed them up, combined them, refined them, evolved them further, etc. They eventually conquered the world under the Mithras mystery religion (roughly beginning 1 AD – birth of Christ time period no less) to justify how they conquered and what they did to the conquered. Mithras system came from the silver Persian Empire no less.

Mithras religious system included planetary worship and had seven secret rites for member perform in order to reach the pater – father – one of these rites involves the moon/Persian rite. The eighth mystery rite or step after the father was to reach Leontocephaline and this event, whatever it was, remains hidden and forgotten today. Each of Mithras many rites appear to involve submission of some sort and swearing to oaths and legal codes bonding members to each other to spread the empire of Rome.

Also note that the Babylon Empire - Mede/Persian Empire - Greek Empire - Roman Empire - all involved different degrees of submission to imperial law and enslavement to build the empire. Each step of these four empires built upon each other’s principles of law as well as refined different forms of governance in its lands to ensure trade, prosperity, security, culture to more refined sophistication. (Note Alexander The Great quote below) All four empires created desolations and all four likewise ended up in division and chaos.

All mortals should live like one, united, and peacefully working towards the common good. You should regard the whole world as your country, a country where the best govern, with common laws, and no racial distinctions. I do not separate people, as many narrow-minded others do. I am not interested in the origin or race of citizens; I only distinguish them on the basis of their virtue. For my part, I consider all, whether they be white or black, equal.

Alexander The Great


The moon deity was incorporated in three of these empires. Historical records reveal that the worship of the moon god sought to overthrow the supreme deity of that nation and sought to bring the entire pantheon of gods and all people under its submission. Please note that the Roman Empire’s main deity was Jupiter/Zeus. They built a temple to Jupiter on the temple mount around 135 AD. It was replaced by whom in 690 AD period and what symbol was placed on top of it? Was it not a Crescent Moon?

See any similarities?

One last note on the Dome of the Rock – there are at least eight special Domes on the old Temple mount site. Seven of these represent interesting things. Likewise, please note that under the Mithras of ancient Rome there were seven rites all related to the planets as well too which was needed to reach - father. There were some aside rites as well. (Maybe some relation with the dome of the rock?? Not sure but interesting nevertheless to note)

Then there is Leontocephaline of the Mithras making total of eight distinct practices of Mithras. Then on the Dome of the Rock - You have one big main Dome crowned with a crescent moon midst all the smaller seven special Domes on site also with various crescents /star symbols marking the way to reach god thru submission to the main law of empire…in the Main big Dome - allah...

The symbolism is striking and all connect back to Babylonian period when a moon god sought to overthrow all deities and bring all creation under submission to it by imposing its imperial law over all. Atop the big Dome of the Rock, surrounded by the other smaller ones, rest a crescent moon and within the grounds tenants of Islamic Jihad goal exposed.

This fits Daniel 11:39 mentioning a Foreign god very well.: please note that the moon god crescent came from Assyrian – Nineveh and UR and thus is a foreign god to the Babylonian empire before Nabonidus introduced and it caused what-division- did it not? The moon god sought to do and accomplish what according to its traits?

Dan 11:39, “Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.” NKJV

The moon god’s trait is a hunter of men (heard that before?) seeking to enslave them to submit to Kingdom of Babel. A pseudo god who seeks to bring-rule by force, thru use of diabolical intelligence, wisdom, and legalist cultural norms based on warfare and building strongholds within other kingdoms before seeking to overthrow them – divide for gain…. The moon god has evolved in increasing sophistication but its goals remain clear cut - unchanged.

Dan 11:38, “But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses (Hebrew word meaning i.e. forces, warring, building strongholds within lands); and a god which his fathers did not know....” NKJV

A god his fathers did not know fits well with the history of the moon god infiltrating first the Babylonia Empire, then the Persian, the Greek empire, and then the Roman empire thru Mithras mystery religion of planetary worship and rites bringing oppression, enslavement, division and chaos wherever it took hold (desolations). A true foreign god is that moon god to each of these empires, fulfilling Daniels words to the full.

Dan 11:38, “…and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things.” NKJV

Interesting how pretty the Dome of the Rock was crafted with such splendor and then notice the spread of the Crescent Moon worldwide since it was built, along with what the Dome of the Rock actually symbolizes… (how long has it been sitting there?)

One side wants to proclaim all is fulfilled, so no worry, no need for oil in your lamp and others are only looking intently at the Pope, forgetting about the need for oil for their lamps due to their fixation.

Amazingly, there seems to be no one heeding the spread of the Crescent Moon…

...but there are a few, a few who will ready their lamps.

Go ahead ignore it, but can you really ignore something so blatantly in your face for centuries? Dome of the Rock with its crescent moon?

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Reference internet: Search - Babylon Empire - Mede/Persian Empire - Greek Empire - Roman Empire and relate each to moon god, deities, gods, set up of governing lands and law codes it imposed. Also look up Mithras and Nabonidus and take your time. Look up the history and ground plans of the Dome of the Rock as well.

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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby puritan lad » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:37 am

Gman wrote:
puritan lad wrote:Yikes!!!

This may be another subject, but the Bible clearly supports capitalism. In fact, of you are looking for a broader theme in the book of Revelation, Christ is waging war against any sort of statism.


The Bible supports socialism too...

No, it does not. It condemns any sort of fiat money, excessive taxation, and any form of civil judgment that favors rich or poor based on their status, possessions, or lack thereof. The Bible is fully supportive of free market economics without any statist intervention other than judging criminal activity.
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Postby puritan lad » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:46 am

B.W.,

You deserve accolades for creativity, if nothing else.

Nothing is mentioned in Daniel about the Dome of the Rock, Islam, or any moon goddess. Such fanciful interpretations are nothing new (and such are always interpreted within ones own time). Whether it be the black plague, the Inquisition, or Islamic terrorism, such interpreters are always convinced that they are living in the climax of history (and those who deny that are called "scoffers"). One day, you think they would learn better.

The empires in Daniel were successive empires up until Christ's first Advent. Anything beyond that is mere guesswork (but it does sell lots of books).
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Postby B. W. » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:30 am

puritan lad wrote:B.W., You deserve accolades for creativity, if nothing else.Nothing is mentioned in Daniel about the Dome of the Rock, Islam, or any moon goddess. Such fanciful interpretations are nothing new (and such are always interpreted within ones own time). Whether it be the black plague, the Inquisition, or Islamic terrorism, such interpreters are always convinced that they are living in the climax of history (and those who deny that are called "scoffers"). One day, you think they would learn better. The empires in Daniel were successive empires up until Christ's first Advent. Anything beyond that is mere guesswork (but it does sell lots of books).


PL,

You Preterist deserve accolades for creativity, if nothing else.

Nothing is mentioned in Daniel about 70 AD being the end of time, that Jesus returned in 70 AD thru the Church, or Nero being the Anti-Christ. Such fanciful interpretations are nothing new as Preterism came as an interpretation within its own Counter Reformation era.

Whether it be Jesus returned in 70 AD in Clouds but not touch down on earth to rule physically from Jerusalem, that Jesus rules through the church – the new Israel. That God’s promises to the Jewish people are null and void because God cannot keep his word nor his faithfulness, that we are living in the 1000 milieu reign now, Satan is bound and there is no evil in the world just a little residue, anyone not accepting Preterism is ignorant, that the 135 AD dispersions’ of the Jews was not far worse than 70 AD, the holocaust was not far worse than 70 AD, all was fulfilled in 70 AD – no need to worry, just go to sleep.

Such Preterist interpreters are always convinced that they are not living in the climax of history and those who deny Preterism are called "scoffers, mockers, enemies of the faith." One day, you think they would learn better. Go to sleep PL… Sleeppp Jesus already came, the sun, moon and all the stars in the sky are just an illusion - sleeppp PL – Preterist sleeppp….

PL you stated, "The empires in Daniel were successive empires up until Christ's first Advent" – yet the Roman Empire lasted way beyond 70 AD – so I guess you are in error here PL because one did last beyond 70 AD and left its residue and influences to future generations just as Daniel stated it would. Anything beyond Preterism is mere guesswork and helps Preterism sell lots of books.

PL, all the Empires in Daniel have a common theme, one is the moon god crescent and planetary worship, along with the desire to rule the world by use of some sort of Empire enforced Law, and all relied on controlling its citizens through laws to enforce submission to its rulers. You have one new evolved system, Islam, which seeks the same thing, spreading worldwide, setting up fortresses inside of countries it seeks to eventual overthrow. Its system set up a monument on the temple mount to this day declaring its superiority over all, it does have a crescent moon on its dome. Then there is the Jewish people who have returned to their own Land a second time becoming a nation again (Isa 11:10, 11c) – God does keep his word (Deut 30:1, 2, 3, 4c).

With this – Preterist – go to sleeppp go to sleeppp – Jesus already came go to sleep…

You’re the Church the new Israel, you rule the world in Christ place, go to sleeppp…

Devil bond, sleep in peace…all is well….

All is well --- all is well….

Anything beyond Preterism is mere guesswork…

So Preterism can sell lots of books….

Go to Sleep intellect …

Go to sleep with a good book to read...

go to sleeppp…
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P.S. - PL - I can mock you right back so I suggest you stop with the insults as this will accomplish nothing.

I choose not to ignore your insulting comments and return your cynicism in like kind to make a valid point: Preterist do not have all the answers and what answers it provides lulls people to sleep. Preterist ignore history and reality of history and make the bible fit its Counter Reformation policy

With that, I forgive you of your condescending insult toward me personally evidenced by your very answer to me.
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Postby puritan lad » Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:27 am

B.W.,

First, let's get off the moral high horse that you've been trying to ride since I returned to the boards. Whether it be Calvinism or Preterism, you have pretended that you are "thinking outside the box" when you have clearly espoused Dispensational theology and semi-pelagianism. You think that be pretending to be "non-dogmatic", that you are on some extra-spiritual plain that we "dogmatic" covenantalists haven't yet achieved. But no one who doesn't already agree with you is buying it. You are just as dogmatic against Calvinism and Preterism as I am for it, so we can stop pretending that you are neutral. You aren't.

As to the topic at hand, I would have to add that you show a poor understanding of preterism, and that your interpretation has nothing to do with anything that the Bible text offers us. That's the difference between us. I let Scripture interpret itself, while you look for whatever appears in the latest news headlines. The problem is that your method has proven to be an abject failure time and again,and I don't think it's necessary to show how it has been upheld by a long line of false prophets.

If you want to attack preterism, feel free to do so. It is fair game. But you may want to actually study the issue first. Pointing out the strawment arguments you guys use gets to be rather tiring.
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Re: Theory on the Ant-Christ

Postby secretfire6 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:35 pm

Since I have been given more information and support for the 1st century Rome end times theory, I was able to look up and put to the test all that I have been given so far. Here is what I found and what it means to me.
For the dating of the writting of Revelation: I agree that it was Nero who began the pursecutions of Christians and most likely exiled John to Patmos. In his madness (high levels of lead in Rome's inner city water supply) 8-}2 Nero blamed the great fire in Rome on the Christians, but had set it himself. The common folk believed him, most of the higher level governors did not. The pursecution began AD 64 and Nero died AD 68. John could have been captured and exiled during this time. When was the vision and when did he write it down? We don't know. When and how did the letters get to the churches? I don't know but if it was anytime after AD 70 they were far too late. To be of any use to anyone of the time, they would have had to been written and sent out between AD65 and AD69. Vespasian, who severly pursecuted the jews and Christians and toppled the temple, began his reign in December of AD 69. He destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70 and his succesor, Titus, continued the terror until AD 81. If the Book of Revelation was dispensed to the churches anytime after that, it would have not been prophecy for those people, but Recent history.

It was stated that the angel revealing to john that the 7 heads that are 7 hills, mean 7 kings but are, in our understanding, kingdoms would not be a revelation, but an enigma. This would only be true if John was an English-speaking 19th century man. I can prove that not only do the Bible and the angels use "king" and "kingdom" interchangably, but the ancient peoples understanding of these terms were different from ours.
Turn to Daniel 7:17 I have 3 Bibles at my home. 2 of which are king james and one is new world translation. They all read similar to this "' As for these huge beasts, because they are four, there are four KINGS that will stand up from the earth." This gives us the image in our minds of the beasts being humans as kings. Now turn to Daniel 7:23 " This is what he said 'As for the fourth beast, there is a fourth KINGDOM that will come to be on the earth, that will be different from all the other (4) KINGDOMS; and it will devour all the earth and will trample it down and crush it." This gives us an image in our minds of the beasts being empires or countries. So which is it? well the distinction between human rulers and empires comes, not from the words "king" and "kingdom", but from the imagery of horns and the beasts. Every reference to a horn in the apocolyptic writings is a human ruler and has human characteristics [two horns on the Ram= king of Persia and king of the medes, first horn on the goat=Alexander the great, four horns after him=the rulers of the four regional kingdoms of old Greece, 10 horns that make war against the harlot and give up their kingdoms the the beast, the little horn who comes up among them, removes three and speaks pompous things and challenges God etc...] so if a beast has horns which are human kings, then beasts are kingdoms, not human kings also; and therefore kings in Daniel 7:17 means kingdoms. This came directly from an angel, so I doubt he made a mistake or was attempting to confuse John.
Now in Revelation it says the heads are kings. Does it? what is a "head"? Revelation uses all the imagery and characteristics found in Daniel: Beasts, heads, horns, so all the same rules should apply. The beast is an empire with 7 heads and 10 horns. Can an empire have 7 kings and then those kings have 10 more kings? Nahh. When Ancient Greece is described as having four heads in Daniel it could be those regional rulers OR it could be those regions themselves. Since the beast in revelation already has its 10 human rulers, the heads could be regions or kingdoms inside the main empire. So we have an empire with 7 regions or kingdoms and 10 rulers...hmmm. Remember that 3 of those kings will be removed by the little horn in Daniel and this verse from Revelation "And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but it's death-stroke got healed....." so 3 of the rulers loose their power and one of the kingdoms is destroyed, then restored and a new ruler comes in and becomes pompous and horrible. So finally there is an empire with 7 kingdoms and 8 rulers. I wanted to be extra sure, so I looked up a few words in ancient Greek and an online bible concordance.
Ancient Greek for king is Basileus meaning, through the notion of a foundation of power-a soverign (abstractly, relatively,figuratively)-king
Ancient Greek for kingdom is Basileia meaning, properly, royaltie, IE (abstractly) rule (concretely) realm (literally or figuratively) kingdom
So for the Ancient Greeks a king was any entity that had sovereignty, foundation of power or ability to rule, whether it was a human, a god, a city, kingdom or empire. To them a kingdom was the extent of that rule or power, whether physical land, numbers or types of peoples, the heavens or the spirit. Suprisingly the Greeks had a very distinct word for Emperor, Sebastos- Venerable (august) IE (as a noun) a tittle of the Roman emperor, or (adjective) imperial. Modern Greek has Aftokratoras= emperor. It is very curious how they made a distinction with the title 'emperor' but generalized 'king'. I was also shocked at what I recieved when I typed 'emperor' into the concordance search "the word emperor does not occur in the ***** version of the Bible" Really? NO translations of the Bible use the word 'emperor'? So then the entire Original NT in Greek never used the word 'Sebastos'? Does that mean all of the early Greek Christian churches never connected the kings of the beast to the ancient Roman emperors even after they were free to say so? Definately makes you wonder...


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