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Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby 1over137 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:42 pm

I created this thread to continue from viewtopic.php?f=12&t=39131&start=45#p150709.

Is Christian Science preaching false gospel? Let's have a discussion and learn more about the Christ.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6

The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold
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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:48 pm

1over137 wrote:I created this thread to continue from viewtopic.php?f=12&t=39131&start=45#p150709.

Is Christian Science preaching false gospel? Let's have a discussion and learn more about the Christ.



I don't think it is a false Gospel, just not quite right on a few points that really have no bearing on faith in Christ. I am sure every denomination has beliefs that when we die we will find out that we were wrong, I think God is more interested in the condition of our hearts than what we have right or wrong.
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.

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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:58 pm

Posting my reply to Neo on what I think is required for salvation.

In my opinion I would say believing in Christ, loving God, loving your neighbor, and having a heart condition that is Christ like are the only things required. Everything else is not really important, I do personally believe Jesus was God incarnate but I don't think it is a prerequisite for salvation. I think man's religious and legalistic tendencies add all these conditions which are not required, all we need is faith in Christ Jesus and it's as simple as that.
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Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.

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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby 1over137 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:07 pm

Question is what does it really mean 'to believe in Jesus".

I found this for verses on Jesus being God too http://www.gotquestions.org/divinity-of-Christ.html

I think it means to believe in all He is. If He was not God, then how can he be our Saviour?
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6

The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold
-- Psalm 18:2

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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby PaulSacramento » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:11 am

One of the toughest things to make a "unitarian" understand is that THEIR interpretation of the Trinity doctrine is incorrect.
To so many of them God= The Father and to claim that Christ is God means that He is His own Father.

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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby 1over137 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:23 am

I should have been more cautious in my above post.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6

The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold
-- Psalm 18:2

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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby PaulSacramento » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:29 am

1over137 wrote:I should have been more cautious in my above post.

No, you make a very valid point.
If Jesus was not God, how could he be our saviour?
The OT is clear that only GOD can save.
That said, what do we mean when we say that Jesus is God?
It means that He has the same nature as His Father, it means that He and His Father are God, they (along with the HS of course) were the creators of the universe and they are our saviour(s).
If Jesus doesn't have the same nature ( and all that goes with that) then He can't save us.
If Jesus is NOT God, then he is superiour than God.
How so?
Simple:
If Jesus is not God and only The Father is God, then when Jesus saved Us, when Jesus showed the greatest example of Love ( self-sacrifice) then He did something that God didn't/couldn't do, which would make Him better than God.

The simple fact is this:
IF Jesus saved all those that believe in Him via his resurrection, IF Jesus saved us via his self-sacrifice on the cross to take all sin unto himself, then that makes Him the ONE being that could do that.
That being can only be God.

God is not the NAME but the "title" or the "term" or even the "definition" that we use when we think of the supreme creator.
There is no reason why Jesus can't be God and no reason why the Trinity can't "explain" the nature of God.

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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby RickD » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:34 am

Daniel wrote:
I don't think it is a false Gospel, just not quite right on a few points that really have no bearing on faith in Christ. I am sure every denomination has beliefs that when we die we will find out that we were wrong, I think God is more interested in the condition of our hearts than what we have right or wrong.



Christian Science IS NOT a Christian denomination.

This is from their website. It's a glossary of many Christian Science terms. If anyone is interested, take a look and see how far off from Christianity their definitions are:
http://christianscience.com/read-online/science-and-health/(chapter)/chapter-xvii-glossary#anchor.2.17
1 Corinthians 1:9
9 God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

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"Christianity is not a joke, but it has some very poor representatives."


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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby 1over137 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:37 pm

RickD wrote:
Daniel wrote:
I don't think it is a false Gospel, just not quite right on a few points that really have no bearing on faith in Christ. I am sure every denomination has beliefs that when we die we will find out that we were wrong, I think God is more interested in the condition of our hearts than what we have right or wrong.



Christian Science IS NOT a Christian denomination.

This is from their website. It's a glossary of many Christian Science terms. If anyone is interested, take a look and see how far off from Christianity their definitions are:
http://christianscience.com/read-online/science-and-health/(chapter)/chapter-xvii-glossary#anchor.2.17

Angels and Children are thoughts? :shock:
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6

The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold
-- Psalm 18:2

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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby 1over137 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:47 pm

They are so off...

HOLY GHOST. Divine Science; the development of eternal Life, Truth, and Love.

JESUS. The highest human corporeal concept of the divine idea, rebuking and destroying error and bringing to light man’s immortality.


I cry for this people. :crying:
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
-- Philippians 1:6

The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold
-- Psalm 18:2

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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:15 pm

It's a shame she has not come back to discuss these issues, maybe she was driven away.
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.

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Postby Furstentum Liechtenstein » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:33 pm

RickD wrote:Christian Science IS NOT a Christian denomination.


Exactly. Which is why I said right from the start that Christian Science is on the same level as the Watchtower Society and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Another pseudo-Christian sect is the Unification Church. What these groups share is the ability to speak ''Christianese'' and sound Christian to the undiscerning.

The very worst type of liars are those who appear sincere:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAY8unW3QGg

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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby RickD » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:50 pm

Danieltwotwenty wrote:It's a shame she has not come back to discuss these issues, maybe she was driven away.

She has a chauffeur? :driving: :cheeking:
1 Corinthians 1:9
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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:01 pm

RickD wrote:
Danieltwotwenty wrote:It's a shame she has not come back to discuss these issues, maybe she was driven away.

She has a chauffeur? :driving: :cheeking:


Yes she does! :shakehead:

I really have not seen much good fruit around here lately.
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Re: Christian Science vs. Christ's deity

Postby Furstentum Liechtenstein » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:19 pm

Danieltwotwenty wrote:I really have not seen much good fruit around here lately.


Because we've been getting a lot of :fruitcake: lately.

Anyway, Ann won't be back.

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