Evidence for God from Science

Philip wrote:I see Audacity never addressed the ultimate meanings for a child who dies per his myopia of only framing it as "God let a child cruelly die, etc.

I wrote: And YOU never addressed the reality of what such infant deaths would mean for a child instantly in Heaven. Your words: "He has the power to make sure they live." What the heck do you think would MORE make them live, and magnificently so, than being in the presence of the Lord???!!! Paradise and peace FOREVER! Oh, so God is guilty of allowing them instant entrance into a beautiful, perfect place of joy with Him? Such a wonderful fate we should all seek!

Audacity: It all certainly does point to a less than caring god doesn't it.

So, Audacity, if a child will instantly reach a place of great peace, love and no tears or suffering, HOW is that uncaring. Don't dodge the ramification of what this would truly mean.

Story: Do you agree with abortion?

Audacity: I'm in favor of the option.

OK, let's apply Audacity's logic here: He asserts God allowing a baby or child to die is hideous and cruel (although he fails to address how that child instantly being in the Lord's presence would not be astoundingly beautiful (just as King David asserted of his dead child with Bathsheba). Yet, he is in FAVOR of the "option" of abortion??? So, he doesn't consider having a baby's brains and organs vacuumed out and ripped apart as "hideous and cruel" - I'm really missing something here. Either he is for a so-called "medical" procedure that (almost always totally and unnecessarily) causes a brutal and gruesome death to a healthy, developing child, or he is for others having the right to do this horror. And yet he asserts to have an issue with God allowing consequences that are inherent in our mortal, physical world, common to mankind and all life, as unloving when He immediately brings that child into eternal peace and joy. You'd think he'd find atrocious the cruelty and horror of abortion, if he sees an unborn life cut unnecessarily short (by man), as that is what he is accusing God of. Does he not see the hypocrisy in his views?

Audacity: Curious, but not unexpected, how you try to shift the focus away from the issue of the apparent hypocrisy of those who condemn abortion but continue to absolve god from doing essentially the same thing, to my personal position and beliefs. An understandable tactic, but hardly commendable. In any case, should you continue down this irrelevant side road of ad homs don't expect any further comment from me.

Audacity wrote:

Storyteller wrote:Audacity...
So you think God is wrong to allow these babies to die yet abortion isn't wrong?

The issue isn't a matter of what I think, but why people have no trouble condemning abortion, but don't condemn god for letting a baby go almost full term and then letting it die when he could have prevented it.

Kurieuo wrote:

Audacity wrote:

Storyteller wrote:Audacity...
So you think God is wrong to allow these babies to die yet abortion isn't wrong?

The issue isn't a matter of what I think, but why people have no trouble condemning abortion, but don't condemn god for letting a baby go almost full term and then letting it die when he could have prevented it.

Good logic there. I think I'll kill the next person who annoys me in life, because some people just die due to disease or something going wrong. Surely you can do better?

Audacity wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:

Audacity wrote:

Storyteller wrote:Audacity...
So you think God is wrong to allow these babies to die yet abortion isn't wrong?

The issue isn't a matter of what I think, but why people have no trouble condemning abortion, but don't condemn god for letting a baby go almost full term and then letting it die when he could have prevented it.

Good logic there. I think I'll kill the next person who annoys me in life, because some people just die due to disease or something going wrong. Surely you can do better?

Better than what you just wrote? Yes I can.

Kurieuo wrote:

Audacity wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:

Audacity wrote:

Storyteller wrote:Audacity...
So you think God is wrong to allow these babies to die yet abortion isn't wrong?

The issue isn't a matter of what I think, but why people have no trouble condemning abortion, but don't condemn god for letting a baby go almost full term and then letting it die when he could have prevented it.

Good logic there. I think I'll kill the next person who annoys me in life, because some people just die due to disease or something going wrong. Surely you can do better?

Better than what you just wrote? Yes I can.

Your logic isn't sound. Because something naturally happens, such justifies us doing it. Death is natural, sometimes premature, sometimes due to old age, so lets just end people's lives. If by "better", you mean more hollow arguments, then go right ahead. It'd be my pleasure to point out any foolishness.

If you wish to divert the debate to God's existence based upon death, pain and suffering (e.g., miscarriages), feel free to open another thread. You're loading your argument here with such, and that deserves a different thread imo.

Hortator wrote:I believe the answer to your question, Audacity, is 42.

Storyteller wrote:Okay... Why do I condemn abortion (and to be clear it's the act not the person) but I don't condemn God?
Because, as a beliver in God and Christ, I think only God has the right, and wisdom, to take our lives. Abortion, in particular, just seems cruel and heartless, if you don't want a child, don't get pregnant. In cases of rape a child can be a gift, even with such a beginning.
I used to believe in a womans right to choose, even as a new Christian, but after thought and reading and considering both sides I now think abortion is wrong.
Audacity, how can you condone abortion yet condemn God?

Storyteller wrote:So what, abortion isn't cruel because it's our decision and not Gods?

Audacity wrote:

Philip wrote:So, Audacity, WHAT is your point???!!! What has THAT got to do with intentional abortion?

That abortion isn't the only process that's taking potential lives. God seems to be letting fetuses develop for 20-28 weeks before killing them off, yet I don't hear anyone condemning him for it. In his infinite knowledge (omniscience) why isn't he killing the embryo in its first moments of formation? Surely he knows it isn't destined for birth.

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Audacity wrote:

Storyteller wrote:So what, abortion isn't cruel because it's our decision and not Gods?

*Sigh* For some pregnant people no doubt it is, but whether it is or not doesn't absolve god of the cruelty he inflicts on expectant parents.