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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Philip » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:37 am

While we do NOT have the words of Jesus directly on this matter ( since it was NOT an issue during His preaching), we must do some very acrobatic mental gymnastics to somehow condone homosexual activity as Christians.


Christian doctrine is based upon the New Testament, in which Jesus affirms that the entirety of the OT is also God-given. So, if you believe the NT and what it says Jesus said, and what His Apostles echo, is that the God who gave us the Church, also is the very same God Who gave Israel the Law and the Prophets. And particularly in the OT, God reveals His great displeasure and anger at those practicing homosexuality (as well as other sins). He definitely highlights this particular sin. So, you either believe what Jesus said about the OT, and about what the Apostles also said, as they quoted so prolifically from the OT that one could almost assemble it just from the NT quotations about it.

I've asked before. Again: Dan, why do you not believe what Scripture says about homosexuality? Do you not believe Scripture is God-given? Or are you cherry-picking what parts you'd like to agree with, and what parts you disagree with (making oneself the arbitrator of what parts truth is found in). Because as Rick noted, what you apparently believe is in conflict with Scripture. You also are advocating the most hideous thing: That a Christian should follow laws and conduct themselves in ways they believe Scripture shows them not to. You're elevating allegiance to man over God. VERY scary when Christians do this.

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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby PaulSacramento » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:55 am

Look at this situation:

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.ca/2016/10/ ... chard.html

Here is a highly respected Christian scholar, Richard Swinburne, speaking about a clear-cut Christian view on homosexuality, one that everyone in the SCP knows he has, and see the drama?

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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:17 pm

RickD wrote:
Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:The case served its purpose, to show where Dan's made his bed.


Your judgement is based on a lie.

Jesus has my back and Christ has made my bed for me and I rest in his peace. y>:D<

Christ may have "made your bed for you", but you're having an adulterous affair with the enemy, by promoting the persecution of Christians, for holding to their conscience, and misrepresenting them by saying they discriminate on the basis of someone's sexual orientation.

Facts do matter Dan.



I don't support persecution of Christians, I do support the prosecution of people who break the law, I do support the rights of individuals, I am against Christians persecuting other people and discriminating against certain groups of people, I am against Christians unfairly targeting innocent people.

You are promoting legalism, Christians targeting innocent people, Christians persecuting groups of people and individuals and the breaking of fair and just laws. This is the antithesis of everything that Christ was about.

I am not the one sleeping with the enemy here...................

But believe as you like it has no effect on me, you have my warmest and sincere prayers. y[-o<
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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Nessa » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:57 pm

Question,

If Jesus was a baker, what would he do?

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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:23 pm

Nessa wrote:Question,

If Jesus was a baker, what would he do?



I think he would have absolutely baked them a cake, he would have met them where they were at and served them like a servant, most of all he would have loved them even though they were sinners.

I also think he would have admonished the bakers of his time for being harsh and cruel for letting the letter of the law interfere with grace and mercy.
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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Nessa » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:34 pm

So if he served the cake, you are saying he would have attended the wedding, wishing them the best for their marriage?

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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:38 pm

Nessa wrote:So if we served the cake, you are saying he would have attended the wedding, wishes them the best for their marriage?



I am not going to presume in that situation what Jesus would do, as there is no precedent to base it on. So I am agnostic in this situation.
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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Nessa » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:42 pm

Interesting....

If we cant know what Jesus would have done then how are we suppose to live as Jesus did according to what the bible tells us to do. Jesus had love and grace, but he also had Truth.

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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:46 pm

Nessa wrote:Interesting....

If we cant know what Jesus would have done then how are we suppose to live as Jesus did according to what the bible tells us to do. Jesus had love and grace, but he also had Truth.


There were many things Jesus didn't specifically talk about, but If I go by his example I would attend the wedding as support for the people, even though I may not agree with it, because I have enough grace and mercy to know that we don't live in a perfect world and allowances have to be made for a broken people. So I guess that is maybe what Jesus would have done, but like I said there is no specific incidence to compare it with, there is only Jesus' character.
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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Nessa » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:02 pm

How do you personally distinguish between allowances for broken people in sin and compromising the truth?

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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:07 pm

Tell me Nessa why I should believe anything you say or do is from Christ, or for that matter anyone here. You guys make personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with you, you try to tear down people instead of the argument.

For example.
I guess I better not ask him if he really lives in a box under a bridge in Toowoomba like FL says...


Now you can say I am thin skinned, emotional, angry, upset, sleeping with the enemy and all manner of things, but you lose my respect and respect for anything you have to say and I would imagine all the people reading this would be similar. They would see the way you all act and think that Christians are evil, and I would not blame them from thinking such things.

Of course I am not saying I am perfect, I react to things people say sometimes, but I do my best to engage the arguments and not make it personal.

So I am finding it very hard to take anything you say with any seriousness at this point in time, as far as I am concerned you are just one of them.
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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:09 pm

Nessa wrote:How do you personally distinguish between allowances for broken people in sin and compromising the truth?


Through the lens of Christ and not the law.
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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Nessa » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:12 pm

Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Nessa wrote:How do you personally distinguish between allowances for broken people in sin and compromising the truth?


Through the lens of Christ and not the law.

The lens of Christ?

I would say the lens of Truth. Tho Christ is also the Truth.

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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby RickD » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:13 pm

Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Nessa wrote:How do you personally distinguish between allowances for broken people in sin and compromising the truth?


Through the lens of Christ and not the law.

And apparently, Christ supports homosexual weddings.
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Re: Support Gay Marriage Cakes

Postby Danieltwotwenty » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:13 pm

Nessa wrote:
Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Nessa wrote:How do you personally distinguish between allowances for broken people in sin and compromising the truth?


Through the lens of Christ and not the law.

The lens of Christ?

I would say the lens of Truth. Tho Christ is also the Truth.


Semantics.
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