Danieltwotwenty wrote:Kurieuo wrote:Dan was clear when he said "and rightly so" that it is more than law, but rather his personal opinion Christians need punishing in many instances that have been presented where it's not necessarily cases of discrimination against a person. He is an SJW quick to blame and condemn Christians for their beliefs.
Yes rightly so according to the law of discrimination, the same would apply to an atheist, Muslim, agnostic or any other ideology that broke the law. We have laws for a reason, so that our society functions in a way that if fair and just for all people, our whole judicial system and even our democratic government were founded on biblical principles. So yes it is right and it is just that these people are prosecuted according to the laws that govern our land, because without them we end up like the countries that kill people just because they are different.
I don't even know what an SJW is, I don't know if you can really be something unless you know what it is.
You can hurl your insults all you like, it just makes your arguments look childish and petty, but please continue, don't let me stop you from your own self destruction.
There is this search tool called Google, it really helps to find out things you don't know, you Social Justice Warrior (SJW) you. But, I'll here attempt to cut through some later silly exchanges between us being had, to spell out what I identify as the central issue here.
Ultimately, what this all comes down to, whether or not you realise, is the SJW mentality that has built up in European/Western societies. In Australia, it seems to be heightening even among Christians, what are often understood to be "progressive" social views. I bet, I could spit out many issues that you and Melanie would agree on. Neo-X to a lesser extent, though Westernised social view do seem to be getting through to him over in Pakistan. Such is the globalised world we find ourselves in today, thanks in large part to the Internet.
People get so worked up over "discrimination" against Muslims, hence why in some states of Australia what are essentially anti-blasphemy laws are being passed. Apparent discrimination against LGBT, direct, and "indirect" as you say which often crosses into ones beliefs. Extreme feminism, multiculturalism, global warming and so on and so forth. At the polar end, society normally sees Christians, Pro-Lifers or the like against such things and maligns them with Nazism, KKK or some such nonsense. (just take some responses, in one post Dan likens not providing a service to a group considered a minority -- not making a gay activist website or a cake with a message that supports gay marriage -- "leads to a society that murders millions." Nazi associations are soon made some posts further along.) Anyone who doesn't become extremely sensitive is deemed a racist, bigot, hateful, associated with the evils of Nazi Germany, the KKK or like. Such is Political Correctness gone wrong.
To be clear, PC gone wrong leads to people with a heightened sensitivity, indeed their baseline sensitivity to social issues has been raised by their social environments, and the absolute trash news media reports on socially, TV shows, movies and the like -- all brainwash with the social messages always being pushed. It is a normalisation process being pushed by those who control such mediums wanting to divide or strongly push their views.
Consider how people become desensitized, whether it is watching movies with lots of gore, playing games that otherwise freak you out. or in real-life wars to the violence and bloodshed. One adapts to the environment they find themselves in, or that which they are continually in contact with. Movies, games or the like that once may have freaked us out, no longer do -- we've become desensatisted. Pornography has a similar affect, and no doubt, is a main reason why the value of sex, women, children has diminished. Similarly, within our society and one being cooked in a socially "progressive" climate.
The Apostle Paul was well aware to similar social norms in his day, roaming around as he did to debate and preach the good news of Jesus as the Messiah prophesied of in Scripture. This is why he warns us as Christians to not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of our mind. For then, we will be able to test and approve what God's will is (not man's)--his good, pleasing and perfect will. (Romans 12:2-3)
Sadly, strongly associated with today's "progressive" social views is truth being shown the door. (something Nessa very rightly touches upon earlier!) Truth is pesky, because it is normally very quite confronting. Truth causes division. Truth is discriminatory either directly or "indirectly" as you say. For these reasons, truth in our "progressively" enlightened society is simply relegated to a scenario of "your truth, but I have my own truth" rather than truth being an immovable line. And then the truth of Gospel, that we must repent by turning to Christ and acknowledging our sin, becomes diminished leading to more Universalist Christian views which find no support in Scripture.
As Christ who is the Truth said, "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD." (Matt 10:35-36)
Indeed, I can personally relate to matters of truth separate myself from certain family members, though it isn't necessarily to do with Christianity but rather family issues. Take the words even of my own father who said to me regarding certain issues of the past for the supposed sake of peace and harmony:
- I have given up on the attempt of truth seeking and the story unfolding of our family of the past. I did not care as all these things are past acts and actions. They have become distorted caricatures. Actors in a old remake black and white movie with segments unwatchable due to its deterioration. I have forgiven them all and myself. I have dropped into God sea of forgetfulness. But one thing I will never forget – the pain felt by everyone. For that leads me to compassion, wisdom and understanding.
Basically, a denial of truth, denial of any validation. Just wanting to sweep everything under the carpet without any true reckoning for the sake of some peace and pseudo-relationship. God never forgets, knows the truth, and God remembers everything, indeed before the world even began God knew ALL. There is no sea of forgetfulness when it comes to truth or true forgiveness which firstly must acknowledge a true wrong before being forgiven. No matter how smeared or clouded the truth might become, there is the truth of the matter. And TRUE forgiveness indeed can't be received from God, unless we come to Him and acknowledge our true sin. Reconciliation can't be had with another who wrongs us, until there is a true reckoning. Anything less, building a relationship upon matters not truly reckoned with, leads to a relationship that can have the rug pulled out in an instant toppling it all.
I present this example above, because my Dad too has become largely acclimatised to social undercurrents. Sadly, such is the world we find ourselves in, where people run from truth. Our "progressive" societies don't want truth, but rather want love and acceptance without responsibility and truth, acceptance of all lifestyles no matter how far they stray from God's design and standards. This leads to further break downs, society further breaking down and indeed the millions of deaths. Here is a message on a shirt that Wikileaks which I fully endorse:
Sadly, it isn't people -- Christian people -- being unloving or discriminatory. Rather, it is ultimately matters of truth, and truth directly cuts through and runs against the grain of the social "progressive" views and the politically correct climate saturating many societies today. This leads to many having an extremely high and irrational sensitivity over certain issues like gay marriage, such that they react and think people are attacking and being hateful when they stick to their beliefs of what is true that may affront such.