RickD wrote:Are you saying that people should have the freedom to allow another person to die, when it's in their power to help save the life? That's your argument?
No that is the opposite of what I am saying, I am saying that the doctor has to obey the law and has given up a portion of their freedom, just like the business does when it enters into a contract with the government. Paul's statement of true freedom is being able to say no is clearly wrong in reality.
No Dan. We all discriminate every day. There's nothing wrong with discrimination, as long as it's not illegal discrimination.
Correct we can legally discriminate and the cake shop is illegally discriminating.
And again, if you're getting back to cake makers, they weren't discriminating against anyone. They discriminated against a thing. An idea, that they found went against their conscience. You're intelligent enough to see the distinction.
This is again where we disagree, they are not discriminating against a thing, they are discriminating against a people and their sexual orientation.
If two white people came into the shop and wanted to buy a cake that said black people are awesome and the shop denied them that, then the shop would be discriminating based on racial grounds. The same way if a straight couple came in to buy a cake with a message saying something about a gay wedding, if the shop denies the making of the cake they are discriminating based on sexual orientation. Both of these cases are illegal according to the law which the cake shop entered into when they decided to do business in that particular country. They may very well sell a cake with no message on it to gay people, but that is besides the point, in that case they have decided to not discriminate.