Evidence for God from Science

I have come to the understanding that, dealing with JW's and other unitarians, that the concept of the Trinity is NOT really the issue, its the wording. They can grasp the "unity" of Father, Son and HS, they just don't agree that this "unity" is a union of equals. I think that i...

1stjohn0666 wrote:I am Christian, Living Hope ministries is the church I like. We don't subscribe to the trinity theory, which is a post biblical idea.

The trinity is not a post biblical idea. The word, "trinity" is used to describe what is already in scripture.

PaulS wrote: Where did anyone say that Jesus was the creator? Paul, whose side are you on, anyways? :lol: Paul, I guess I have to ask you this as well, to clarify: Do you believe Jesus is God? http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/isaiah-malachi/jesus-or-god-creator-all-things I know what 1John believ...

John, we are talking about the trinity. Read and understand. It's not polytheism. You are misrepresenting what we believe.
http://carm.org/what-trinity

1stjohn0666 wrote:what cult do I belong to? I don't subscribe to "mainstream Christianity" as per I don't buy into a post biblical ideology.

If you don't believe Jesus Christ is God, then your belief is cultic:What is the definition of a cult?

PaulS wrote:
Where did anyone say that Jesus was the creator?

Paul, whose side are you on, anyways?
Paul, I guess I have to ask you this as well, to clarify: Do you believe Jesus is God?

http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/isai ... all-things

Murray wrote:I do and i've already sent them a e-mail.

http://www.crossroads-ministries.net

Nothing seems out if the ordinary there. It seems like a typical Assemblies of God type church. That's the church affiliated with the Crossroads "friend" you were talking about?

For those of you following this thread, what 1stjohn0666 is adhering to, by denying the deity of Jesus Christ, is a cult.

What is the definition if a cult?

Murray, that's great that you are using discernment with this. I really don't think you need any advice with this. You can see for yourself that something is wrong. I think you should do what you probably already know you should do. Stay away from them. Murray, whatever job you do, do it as you are ...

Murray, why would you want to subject yourself to his rants again? Do you have a website for this "Crossroads"? I'd like to see what they say they believe. Murray, you know the old saying, "with friends like that, who needs enemies?" I think it's time for some new friends. I'm go...

John, are you going to address the questions that are asked of you?

Murray, who told you that garbage? And, why would you listen to that for 3 hours? I would have said my piece, and stopped listening, long before 3 hours.
Before I go any further, who told you this?

Jesus was a "mortal man" being mortal means one can die. Scripture is clear that only God is immortal. If then Jesus died, he must not be God. As for being worshiped: http://godandson.reslight.net/?p=279 John, we agree that Jesus had a human nature. In that human nature, he was mortal. Ot...

if some believers feel worshiping on and observing the sabbath help them to follow Christ i see nothing wrong with it likewise if some believers choose to worship any other day and it helps them to follow Christ i also see nothing wrong with that. Zionist, that has been my point all along. If you t...

Shabbat means, "Jewish Sabbath". So I agree with you. The Jews can keep the Jewish Sabbath. Believers can also observe the Sabbath rest by believing on Christ, who is our Sabbath rest. Shabbat no more means, "Jewish Sabbath," than Christ means, "Greek Messiah." It's Bi...