Evidence for God from Science

K wrote: finally, Christians are to "fear not" for God is with us. So if any action is done out of fear rather than love, then I'd personally question the validity of that action. That's interesting K. Because it's really not actually acceptable in some states, to kill a home intruder, un...

If i give you a gift, I can give it unconditionally, regardless of your response. You may, however, throw it in the trash. While we were STILL sinners he loved us and died for us. That is the whole point. He didnt wait until we deserved it. He didnt wait until we checked all the tick boxes.... I agr...

Romans 5:6,7,8

So Jesus died saying "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

That doesnt really cry out 'I will love them IF...' to me at all.

Even an atheist can love someone IF....

Whats so great about that?

My point was the way david loved him unconditonally which comes through in the movie and book.

Not everyone seems as simplistic as you with your dead man
mentality re: gun thread and sword thread.

Maybe Im wrong about agape anyway.

Im not sure if any of you have seen the cross sword and the switch blade movie. Basically David Wilkenson left his pregnant wife to go witness to one of the toughest gangs. David got 'abused' somewhat but he kept showing unconditional love and telling the gang about Gods love for them. Niki said to ...

Been holding off for a bit on responding to this topic as there very good postings here. Let's have a little bit of Greek lesson here. Greek New Testament reads: 1 Co 13:5 ουκ ασχημονει ου ζητει τα εαυτης ου παροξυνεται ου λογιζεται το κακον 1 Co 13:6 ου χαιρει επι τη αδικια συγχαιρει δε τη αληθεια...

Philip wrote:If you don't defend against one trying to kill or to cause great bodily injury, you are, in effect helping him to be a murderer

We killed jesus. Did he help us to be murderers by not fighting back? As I recall he had angels to help him too....a LOT of them. Sometimes he calls us not to fight back.

Consider these verses... Psa 82:3,4 Defend the poor and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy; Free them from the hand of the wicked Isa 1:17 Learn to do good; Seek justice, Rebuke the oppressor; Defend the fatherless, Plead for the widow. Isa 1:23 Your pri...

Here is the first paragraph of the article linked to in the OP: Given how Jesus responds to Peter’s use of the sword (he rebukes him), and given everything Jesus says about loving enemies, doing good to them, turning the other cheek, and so on, it’s clear that, whatever Jesus was up to in telling h...

my ultimate view of agape love is undeserved love. The world says 'I will love you if....' God says 'I will love you even if....' That does not mean there isn't different outcomes. The prodigal son's father still loved his son even though he walked away. He didnt say 'I will love you if you stay'. H...

Partially agreed. And I don't know the gun thread reference. Haven't been following it. Even those deserving separation, I don't hold anything against and don't want them to be separated. It depends on how you define 'unconditional love'. A quick google search comes up with: "Unconditional lov...

Mallz, every one is your brother and sister? like non christians?

I am not saying that if you have an intruder that you are to necessarily forego justice and let them do whatever they want in the name of 'uncondtional love'. But God could very well ask you to do that. Stephen cried out, as I said, for God to not hold his killers to their sin of stoning him. That i...

And careful of my accusations? That goes both ways...you are accusing God of having conditional love....

The thing is Nessa. The love of YHWH is not unconditional, and that won't be found in scripture. In fact, we are in His wrath until we meet the condition of believing in His Son. Grace does not = unconditional love. If you are outside of grace: John 3:36 (NIV) "Whoever believes in the Son has ...