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by 1stjohn0666
Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:20 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

1stjohn, I know you like to quote Hebrews 1:5, to try to show erroneously that since Jesus was begotten, he's not God. But, what do you do with Hebrews 1:8: 8But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. God the Father cal...
by 1stjohn0666
Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:22 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

How do you interpret "firstborn" in Col 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation"? Not the same way your cultic logic dictates to the unwary... So lets begin: Your cultic presupposition interprets "firstborn" used in Col 1:15 to mean &q...
by 1stjohn0666
Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:41 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

If there was no Son of God before He was born of Mary, then how do you reconcile that all was created by Him and Through Him ? 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. John 1:3? All things came into being through the Fathers voic...
by 1stjohn0666
Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:18 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

1stjohn, I know you like to quote Hebrews 1:5, to try to show erroneously that since Jesus was begotten, he's not God. But, what do you do with Hebrews 1:8: 8But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. God the Father cal...
by 1stjohn0666
Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:52 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

Okay Rick LOL
You can have Strong's "as embodying an idea" LOGOS God's very own spoken word which was with him and was him. God had an idea to save mankind "Christ is the embodiment of Gods idea"
by 1stjohn0666
Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:50 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

The New American Bible has this to say about the word "logos" in a footnote: "May denote an internal reasoning process, plan, or intention, as well as an external word, speech, or message." In Greek, the word "logos" according to Vine’s Expository Dictionary means: Logo...
by 1stjohn0666
Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:56 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

PaulSacramento wrote:"So, IF I read you correctly, there was no Son of God until the person Jesus was born from Mary, yes?

Yes Luke 1:35
by 1stjohn0666
Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:52 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

John, 20 seconds of searching gave me this: http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/logos.html Strongs is a respected Lexicon. Look near the bottom. I put it in red for you. Bible Study ToolsOur LibraryLexiconsNew Testament Greek LexiconNew Testament Greek Lexicon - New American StandardL...
by 1stjohn0666
Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:33 am
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

Scripture never presents a literal preexisting Jesus. Has any one read the birth narratives in Matt an Luke? So an so begat so and so...etc. Begotten means to come into existence. How did all of us get here? Were we NOT begotten by our parents? Did we just "poof" here...LOL? So there was ...
by 1stjohn0666
Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:45 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

Scripture never presents a literal preexisting Jesus. Has any one read the birth narratives in Matt an Luke? So an so begat so and so...etc. Begotten means to come into existence. How did all of us get here? Were we NOT begotten by our parents? Did we just "poof" here...LOL? So there was ...
by 1stjohn0666
Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:54 pm
Forum: End Times
Topic: The sons of Abraham
Replies: 23
Views: 3446

Re: The sons of Abraham

Here's the link. I pray that you will be open to see the truth John: http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/trinity.html I don't buy into a "post biblical" concept that took centuries to develop. I found where Jesus is YHVH on this site http://www.godandscience.org/cults/songod.html
by 1stjohn0666
Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:50 pm
Forum: End Times
Topic: The sons of Abraham
Replies: 23
Views: 3446

Re: The sons of Abraham

John, here's a link that shows from scripture, that Jesus is God. I don't think it's the graph I'm remembering, but until I find the graph link, this one is great too. http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/songod.html Nice list. 1) Jesus is not all knowing, the human Jesus on Earth and the ascended...
by 1stjohn0666
Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:18 pm
Forum: End Times
Topic: The sons of Abraham
Replies: 23
Views: 3446

Re: The sons of Abraham

1stjohn wrote: Rick, did I say that the Jesus of the Quran and the bible are the same? You said: I simply stated that the Quran is holy book for people of the Islamic faith. And in it you can find the return of Jesus and judgement. So, using my Dr. Detective deductive skills, if you believe the Kor...
by 1stjohn0666
Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:58 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

PaulS wrote: Well, he keeps making mention of the incarnation but doesn't seen to address that Jesus( the Son of God) existed BEFORE the incarnation and if that is so, where did the "pre-incarnate" son of God come from? Make no mistake about it Paul. 1stjohn DOES address the Son of God's ...
by 1stjohn0666
Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:42 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Firstborn
Replies: 50
Views: 5304

Re: Firstborn

John, was Jesus, was the Son of God created by God? What does Luke 1:35 say of the subject? Begotten means to come into existence. Deut 18:15-18, Isa 51:16, Acts 3:20-26 are key texts. By Gods own word, YES I believe that Jesus was a uniquely begotten person. It was a miracle birth, not by sexual r...

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