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by RickD
Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:59 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: There is no Hope without Jesus
Replies: 251
Views: 2652

Re: There is no Hope without Jesus

Would you mind rephrasing what I said using the correct wording? Ok, I'll try. This is what you said: Not in the context of this conversation; in this discussion, to believe is to become convinced something is true. Once you become convinced, the idea of making a choice to believe or not is no long...
by RickD
Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:55 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: There is no Hope without Jesus
Replies: 251
Views: 2652

Re: There is no Hope without Jesus

kenny wrote: Perhaps this is something where we may just have to agree to disagree on, Choice is a two way street. As I said before; I cannot choose to believe something that I am convinced is not true; and if I am unable to believe something, there is no choice involved. I think I see what you're ...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:36 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: There is no Hope without Jesus
Replies: 251
Views: 2652

Re: There is no Hope without Jesus

Okay; let me try again; So you see the evidence that “X” is true, and the moment you determine the evidence is believable, you immediately make the choice to believe the evidence you determined as true, is true. Is this what you are saying? No. I was disagreeing with the wording of what you said. W...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:34 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: There is no Hope without Jesus
Replies: 251
Views: 2652

Re: There is no Hope without Jesus

kenny wrote: Perhaps this is something where we may just have to agree to disagree on, Choice is a two way street. As I said before; I cannot choose to believe something that I am convinced is not true; and if I am unable to believe something, there is no choice involved. I think I see what you're ...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:18 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: There is no Hope without Jesus
Replies: 251
Views: 2652

Re: There is no Hope without Jesus

So if I understand you correctly, you make a choice to believe "X" is true, before you see evidence that it is true or not. Is this correct? That's not what I was saying. Okay; let me try again; So you see the evidence that “X” is true, and the moment you determine the evidence is believa...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:55 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: There is no Hope without Jesus
Replies: 251
Views: 2652

Re: There is no Hope without Jesus

Earlier Paulsacramento provided a dictionary definition of “belief” be·lief bəˈlēf/Submit noun 1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. "his belief in the value of hard work" 2. trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something. You seem to be referring the th...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:43 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: There is no Hope without Jesus
Replies: 251
Views: 2652

Re: There is no Hope without Jesus

Kenny, Let's say for the sake of the discussion, I agree with your statement here: Not in the context of this conversation; in this discussion, to believe is to become convinced something is true. As I said, assuming I agree, "to believe" is the same as "to become convinced". Th...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:26 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: There is no Hope without Jesus
Replies: 251
Views: 2652

Re: There is no Hope without Jesus

Kenny, Let me pose a scenario to show you that I think you do choose what you believe. Keep in mind, that to believe something, you put your trust or confidence in that something, that it's true, or reliable. I don't know if you're married, but let's assume you are for this example. In your house, ...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:20 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: There is no Hope without Jesus
Replies: 251
Views: 2652

Re: There is no Hope without Jesus

Kenny, Let's say for the sake of the discussion, I agree with your statement here: Not in the context of this conversation; in this discussion, to believe is to become convinced something is true. As I said, assuming I agree, "to believe" is the same as "to become convinced". Th...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:48 pm
Forum: Christian Chit-chat
Topic: Billy Graham
Replies: 7
Views: 32

Re: Billy Graham

I know with my own Dad, he had an impact upon him and likley three other of his siblings in the family (out of six in total) coming to Christ in his earlier crusades. Or at least, strong influence, so my Dad mentioned in some random conversation we have over the last year. Billy Graham was around f...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:47 pm
Forum: General Discussion & Introductions
Topic: Is coming to Jesus and being saved simple?
Replies: 11
Views: 36

Re: Is coming to Jesus and being saved simple?

I definitely agree a child can be saved and its that simple. But if its so simple that you just have to say a prayer then why arent more people in heaven... because I think we all know that although salvation is free, Jesus wants all of us. And to be on the throne of our lives oppose to us ruling o...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:43 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: There is no Hope without Jesus
Replies: 251
Views: 2652

Re: There is no Hope without Jesus

Kenny, Let's say for the sake of the discussion, I agree with your statement here: Not in the context of this conversation; in this discussion, to believe is to become convinced something is true. As I said, assuming I agree, "to believe" is the same as "to become convinced". The...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: There is no Hope without Jesus
Replies: 251
Views: 2652

Re: There is no Hope without Jesus

Kenny, Let me pose a scenario to show you that I think you do choose what you believe. Keep in mind, that to believe something, you put your trust or confidence in that something, that it's true, or reliable. I don't know if you're married, but let's assume you are for this example. In your house, ...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:00 pm
Forum: Christian Chit-chat
Topic: Billy Graham
Replies: 7
Views: 32

Re: Billy Graham

I know with my own Dad, he had an impact upon him and likley three other of his siblings in the family (out of six in total) coming to Christ in his earlier crusades. Or at least, strong influence, so my Dad mentioned in some random conversation we have over the last year. Billy Graham was around f...
by RickD
Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:56 pm
Forum: General Discussion & Introductions
Topic: Is coming to Jesus and being saved simple?
Replies: 11
Views: 36

Re: Is coming to Jesus and being saved simple?

This thread comes after phils comment in the billy graham thread. I think it's simple but also complex. A paradox perhaps. Like waving to someone across the street may seem 'simple' but on one hand it is also a complex action that needs certain things to take place to cause it to happen. I guess my...

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