Evidence for God from Science

Jac, I am hoping to soon post a second partial response to your last long post, but I am far from having absolute certainty wrt that matter...so here's a response to your last (shorter) post You cannot say, "Well, in modern English, the idea of faith is uncertain, and because people use 'to bel...

hey Jac...please allow me to deal with this a bit at a time...I had said: ....so you can imagine my surprise when you quoted the above passage from TWOT with approval. Can I presume that you now agree with my view that the meaning of "believe" as used today includes the concept of somethin...

sorry this took so long... Hi Jac, here again is the quote from TWOT that you would like to focus upon: This very important concept in biblical doctrine girves clear evidence of the biblical meaning of "faith" in contradistinction to the many popular concepts of the term. At the heart of t...

Jac3510 wrote:....Have at it.

thanks for the clarifications...I suspect it'll be a week before I can have at it.. but hopefully it'll be worth the wait.
cheers

Jac, it appears to me that your argument runs (as you have presented it) as follows: 1) A lexicon presents factual statements as to the meanings of words, therefore the TWOT must be correct/must be free from opinion wrt the meaning of "believe/aman" 2) according to the TWOT the OT concept ...

Jac, at your request I will comment on the bit from the TWOT. And so as not to rely to heavily on Waterhouse, the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (TWOT), edited by Archer (Moody Press, 1980) defines aman as "to confirm, support, uphold (qual); to be established, be faithful (niphal); ...

Jac, it has been a while since we recognized a need to look at the greek for "believe" and so I would like to put the matter in its context. You assert that "to believe" as Jesus used the term means to possess absolute certainty wrt a thing. As such, one cannot believe with reser...

FFC wrote: How about this, teachings may be a part of it but not necessarily all of it. I'm also beginning to see that fruit means differnt things in different scripture passages.

works for me.

FFC, it seems that I miss a day or two and all of a sudden I am several pages behind....I thought I would take the time to comment on this of yours: Mat 12:33 ¶ Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit. ...

Jac3510 wrote:ttoews,

..... Most specifically, I was invited to speak at a regional GES conference late in September,...

congrats...even tho' I have no idea what GES stands for....God's Elite Squad, perhaps?

Byblos, your explanation works for me...I just wouldn't use the word "objective".

.... frankly, I'm still in the processing of working it out myself.

aren't we all...not only do I see dimly, but sometimes I am quite dim.

God Bless,

Byblos.

you too.

Precisely. One needs to differentiate between the objective assurance offered by the word of God and the subjective assurance of such when looking into one's heart. They are not mutually exclusive; on the contrary, one needs the objective assurance to negate some of the doubt that creeps in due to ...

Hope this helps if I understood your question correctly. sorry, I wasn't very clear. I should have said that it appears that you have the decision to create "Bob" coming before the decision to elect "Bob" as opposed to those being concurrent decisions w/i the mind of God. Actual...

2.) Either God elects unconditionally (not of works), or He elects based on a “deep foreknowledge” of our actions, works, choices, etc. It's one or the other B.W. It cannot be both. PL, I note that you have creation and election occurring "sequentially". The way you say it, it sounds as ...

Maybe we should have testimony night? Everyone post a brief on how they became saved and realized it as fact. I grew up in a Christian home...was so young when I came to trust Jesus that I can't remember the day... ttoews - are you looking for a formula, method, that easily explains how one believe...