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by Nils
Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:38 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: What Makes Human Beings Special?
Replies: 31
Views: 454

Re: What Makes Human Beings Special?

The philosophy of intrinsic and extrinsic value, especially related to morality, is a very complex matter and I know I should do much more reading to be able to align my view with the different philosophical discussion. I am leaning towards pragmatism and Koorsgaard but this is only prelminarily. I...
by Nils
Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:33 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: What Makes Human Beings Special?
Replies: 31
Views: 454

Re: What Makes Human Beings Special?

What makes human beings special? I'm not talking as in our higher intelligence or the like, but rather valuable. Morality is often discussed here on the board, but it seems a question like this is often skirted around. As I see, the answer to this question forms a basis to a morality we hold to for...
by Nils
Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:37 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: What Makes Human Beings Special?
Replies: 31
Views: 454

Re: What Makes Human Beings Special?

What makes human beings special? I'm not talking as in our higher intelligence or the like, but rather valuable. Morality is often discussed here on the board, but it seems a question like this is often skirted around. As I see, the answer to this question forms a basis to a morality we hold to for...
by Nils
Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:28 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: What Makes Human Beings Special?
Replies: 31
Views: 454

Re: What Makes Human Beings Special?

What makes human beings special? I'm not talking as in our higher intelligence or the like, but rather valuable. Morality is often discussed here on the board, but it seems a question like this is often skirted around. As I see, the answer to this question forms a basis to a morality we hold to for...
by Nils
Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:08 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality
Replies: 397
Views: 27866

Re: Morality

] It may be obvious to you because you believe in a Christian God. To an atheist it's far from obvious that there is objective morality. My interest in this question depends on the statement from some Christians that the need of an objective moral is an argument for Gods existence. This I deny. I h...
by Nils
Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:04 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality
Replies: 397
Views: 27866

Re: Morality

Ken, if you say that human law is objective1 I think you are wrong. When you say human law is subjective, are you saying it’s enforcement is subjective? If there is a law, normally it is an undisputed fact that it exist, it exists objectively (epistemological objectivity). It should be enforced obj...
by Nils
Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:14 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality
Replies: 397
Views: 27866

Re: Morality

Ken, if you say that human law is objective1 I think you are wrong. When you say human law is subjective, are you saying it’s enforcement is subjective? If there is a law, normally it is an undisputed fact that it exist, it exists objectively (epistemological objectivity). It should be enforced obj...
by Nils
Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:39 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality
Replies: 397
Views: 27866

Re: Morality

If right and wrong don't exist, then how do you know that doing something like say, eating sewage, is not wrong, when it shows health problems result? Of course, the concepts right and wrong exist, you and I use them. Most persons agree that it is not good to do things that damage your health but t...
by Nils
Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:43 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality
Replies: 397
Views: 27866

Re: Morality

The first definition, I call it Objectivity1, says that morality, what is right and wrong, is independent of human thoughts, feelings etc. and is defined by sources outside the human. Here you seem to suggest that right and wrong actually exists! I don’t believe it does. I see right and wrong as ju...
by Nils
Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:58 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality
Replies: 397
Views: 27866

Re: Morality

The first definition, I call it Objectivity1, says that morality, what is right and wrong, is independent of human thoughts, feelings etc. and is defined by sources outside the human. Here you seem to suggest that right and wrong actually exists! I don’t believe it does. I see right and wrong as ju...
by Nils
Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:50 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality
Replies: 397
Views: 27866

Re: Morality

I am more interested in discussion objectivity1, why I think it is wrong. Nils, do you see the conundrum you are in? the self-refuting argument? If there is no right and wrong, then how could objectivity1 be wrong? indeed, what IS this "wrong" you speak of? No Paul, I don't see any conund...
by Nils
Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:51 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality
Replies: 397
Views: 27866

Re: Morality

Ken, Still, it seems that you (and others) don't take the matter of definition seriously. I referred to the Wikipedia definition eralier: " "Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings...
by Nils
Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:46 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality
Replies: 397
Views: 27866

Re: Morality

Ken, I am a bit astonished about the discussion between Ken on one side and Rick and Paul and others on the other side. It's so apparent that you talk besides each other and it took a long time until finally Ken noted that. The Wikipedia entry on Objectivity (philosophy) states in the beginning that...
by Nils
Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:43 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality
Replies: 397
Views: 27866

Re: Morality

Nils, We understand that we are approaching things from a different angle than Ken, we have actually made note of that a few times in this thread and other similar threads. Like when I said the difference between what IS good and bad and that there IS A good and bad. Ken, however, is the one statin...
by Nils
Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:47 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality
Replies: 397
Views: 27866

Re: Morality

I am a bit astonished about the discussion between Ken on one side and Rick and Paul and others on the other side. It's so apparent that you talk besides each other and it took a long time until finally Ken noted that. The Wikipedia entry on Objectivity (philosophy) states in the beginning that ther...

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