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by Kenny
Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:06 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

Ken: "There is no scientific theory that claims a time in history when absolutely nothing physically existed." Ken, you don't even seem to know what constitutes as being the physical, nor what science's overwhelming consensus is about when the physical began to exist. As before the big ba...
by Kenny
Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:17 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

The first cause, the uncaused cause and the unmoved mover Must be pure actuality with no potentiality whatsoever, for it it has potential to be something else then it means that ANOTHER can act upon it and so it can't be the "first" or "uncaused" or "unmoved". If there...
by Kenny
Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:10 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

Ken: Are you speculating intelligence, and purpose was involved, because intelligence and purpose was the end result? course! And because we have absolutely no evidence of intelligent, complex things and designs creating themselves, or suddenly appearing, within an intelligent cause and designer. I...
by Kenny
Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:36 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

Ken: So… are you agreeing with me the possibility of multiple first/eternal causes? Of course not, but I am saying that there HAD to be something eternal with those attributes - some great Intelligence with a purpose in what was created, and great power and ability, per what was created. Are you sp...
by Kenny
Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:30 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

The first cause, the uncaused cause and the unmoved mover Must be pure actuality with no potentiality whatsoever, for it it has potential to be something else then it means that ANOTHER can act upon it and so it can't be the "first" or "uncaused" or "unmoved". If there...
by Kenny
Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:33 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

Paul: With multiple first causes... With MULTIPLE first causes, A) They ALL must pre-exist all physical things (as the universe had a physical beginning), and B) they ALL would have to be eternal AND thus eternally causing things, with some eternal forces being more powerful than others. But that s...
by Kenny
Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:29 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

Because Kenny doesn't understand first cause, he things that multiple first causes ( a logical contradiction like a square circle) are possible. The flaw of square circles and other such logical contradictions can be easily explained. The fact this question cannot be, IMO shows that it is not a log...
by Kenny
Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:40 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

Because Kenny doesn't understand first cause, he things that multiple first causes ( a logical contradiction like a square circle) are possible. The flaw of square circles and other such logical contradictions can be easily explained. The fact this question cannot be, IMO shows that it is not a log...
by Kenny
Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:31 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

Meanwhile, if anyone wishes to debate evidences, don't forget everyone has positions. Those who disagree have much must to prove themselves with their beliefs. Don't let them keep asking you to put something on the table to swipe off, while they put nothing on in return. Such is just being played a...
by Kenny
Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:23 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

R1EYot7zLEM This is not the argument ACB presented, (even though I find more holes in it than swiss cheese) but even if he did, the men in the video themselves don’t claim the points discussed as proof of God, they simply call it “a good reason to believe God exists. Ken I'm glad you actually watch...
by Kenny
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:08 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

Kenny, You may need to reread this thread . Presupposing God or not presupposing God, has no relevance to the logic. Ah yes... I remember that thread. I was asking why assume a single first cause rather than multiple first causes. If I recall correctly, we spent too much time on distractions like w...
by Kenny
Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:53 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

R1EYot7zLEM This is not the argument ACB presented, (even though I find more holes in it than swiss cheese) but even if he did, the men in the video themselves don’t claim the points discussed as proof of God, they simply call it “a good reason to believe God exists. Ken I'm glad you actually watch...
by Kenny
Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:44 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

RickD wrote:

This is not the argument ACB presented, (even though I find more holes in it than swiss cheese) but even if he did, the men in the video themselves don’t claim the points discussed as proof of God, they simply call it “a good reason to believe God exists.

Ken
by Kenny
Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:44 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

Kenny and ACB, You guys are just talking past each other. On one hand, ACB, you're offering proof of God's existence through Aquinas. Kenny is asking for evidence , while refusing to accept the proof. Kenny is refusing to accept logical proof, so you're just wasting your time. And yes, Kenny can't ...
by Kenny
Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:27 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?
Replies: 183
Views: 1631

Re: Are You Are Skeptic or In Denial?

I think that we Christians need a whole new strategy when it comes to dealing with atheists.We do not need to try to convince atheists God is real to atheists but instead we should work on trying to teach atheists to go by evidence in order to get to the truth of any issue and that is how important...

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